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19 Oct 2007, 5:44 pm

People who believe internet quizzes can define people are sheep...and anyone can choose to live how they want. Also three times not getting the Flu vaccine has nearly killed me(I have asthma and nearly inevitably get pneumonia if I catch the flu). Do some research. I find people who try to all be different terribly amusing and they all end up alike anyhow. And I have epilepsy from a head injury ..without my medicine I have 4 to 7 seizures a day and no diet or herbs will help that.

but go ahead you need self justification it's common among the young.



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19 Oct 2007, 6:20 pm

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"zero proof that polio even exists today"



WHAT??? there are frequent outbreaks in Africa, and Afghanistan and Pakistan!! they think it's eradicated, and then it pops up someplace. the only way to stop the outbreaks is to vaccinate everyone.
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Oh becca. I guess you never heard of biological warfare.
Thank goodness for Google, eh? Now you can find out all kinds of nifty stuff about all kinds of whacky situations. Just remember you heard it here first!


A. if you believe the spread of polio is due soley to biological warfare, you should do some research on infectious diseases

B. if it it is biological warfare, and we know that terrorist groups have access to the polio virus and are infecting children, shouldn't we make it a priority to vaccinate these children as quickly as possible? you just made yourself an even better case for vaccinations. now that you mention it, it's actually a very scary thought.....

anyways, i think it's important to vaccinate kids so they don't get sick. if that makes me a sheep, so be it
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19 Oct 2007, 8:29 pm

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Do you believe that innoculations are a great necessity?

If you answered YES to more than 9 of these questions - you are a sheeple. Baaah Baaah black sheep, have you been fooled? Yessir, yessir a whole lifetime through.


Yes, I believe in routine vaccinations, and anyone who knows their history and has an ounce of sense will realize this is based on solid facts. Do you know what infant and child mortality rates were before routine immunizations?!? Staggering! We live in an age where we have few serious diseases to worry about, we have it very good. We're extremely fortunate.

And what is this "sheeple" stuff? Aside from categorizing and labeling and name-calling, that is.


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20 Oct 2007, 3:56 am

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I've been guilty of the third & eleventh on occasion. The third I was strongly attached to a tv show, I used it as a form of medicine, saved my life at the time.


Same here. I remembered last minute that the show in question would start in just a few hours. :)


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20 Oct 2007, 10:44 am

Stuff like going to the doctor and listening to the FDA isn't being a sheeple. It's just common sense.



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20 Oct 2007, 12:00 pm

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You. Yourself. 99% of the time you can heal yourself. And you are your own expert on your own body like no one else could ever be. 99% of all tests are needlessly conducted. 99% of all medication is not warranted when there are alternative herbs, diet changes and excercise that could help if not cure - whereis if i recall correctly there is not one medication out there that has EVER cured anyone of anything except a swollen wallet.[/b]


Well, I guess I should tell my advisor to stop treating her stage 4 lymphoma with chemotherapy then. I guess she should also stop taking the medications that are stopping her liver (infiltrated by tumors) from failing. Who knows, yellow might be an attractive color for her.

Where are the studies you got this information from by the way? Or did you just make these numbers up?

I don't doubt that lifestyle changes and herbal supplements can be helpful in the case of chronic illnesses, or possibly even some acute illnesses, not to mention prevention, but homeopathy is not the be all and end all of health, just as medical science doesn't hold all the answers either. For holding such unyielding opinions on the efficacy of homeopathy while rejecting medical science as a whole and refusing to refute the objections of others with logic rather than rhetoric... jjstar, I name thee "sheeple."


What doctors say about Chemo Therapy ?

Did you know that 30 years ago Dr Hardin B. Jones, Professor of Medical Physics & Physiology at Berkeley, found that the life expectancy of untreated cancer cases appears to be FOUR TIMES LONGER than that of treated individuals?

1969 Science Writers Conference of the ACS

Chemotherapy is effective in only 2 to 4% of cancers----Hodgkin's disease, Acute Lymphocytic Leukemia (ALL, childhood leukemia), Testicular cancer, and Choriocarcinoma?

Ralph Moss interview 1995
http://www.livelinks.com/sumeria/canc/rmoss.html


There is no scientific evidence for chemotherapy being able to extend in any appreciable way the lives of patients suffering from the most common organic cancers, which accounts for 80% of all cancers? (Dr Ulrich Abel. 1990)



Chemotherapy drugs are of benefit to at most 5% of cancer patients they are given to, but are routinely given to 50% of patients?

John Cairns of Harvard in Scientific American


75 % of oncologists, in one survey, said if they had cancer they would not participate in chemotherapy trials due to its "ineffectiveness and its unacceptable toxicity"?


Grouped together, the average cancer patient has a 50/50 chance of living another 5 years; which are the same odds he or she had in 1971?


With some cancers, notably liver, lung, pancreas, bone and advanced breast, our 5 year survival from traditional therapy alone is virtually the same as it was 30 years ago?


After $50 Billion spent on cancer research, the list of cancers responsive to chemotherapy is almost identical to what it was 25 years ago?
Questioning Chemotherapy by Ralph Moss, p81

the War on Cancer is a failure with a death rate not lower but 6% higher in 1997 than 1970?


Did you know that one of the worlds leading nuclear medical scientist, John Gofman M.D.,Ph.D. found that past exposure to ionizing radiation, primarily medical x-rays (eg mammograms), is responsible for about 75 percent of the breast-cancer problem today?
http://ratical.co./radiation/CNR?PBC/Overview.htm

Radiation therapy does not improve the survival of patients with breast cancer !


Did you know that the mortality rate for breast cancer in women over 55 was about 20% higher in 1995 than in 1970 (so much for mammograms)? (Irwin D. Bross, Ph.D.)

Did you know that two large studies found an increase in mortality of women (under 55) from breast cancer who were regularly screened with mammograms?

The doctor who cured himself from liver cancer http://www.maps.org/news-letters/v08n3/08322top.html

The man who cured himself from cancer - http://curezone.com/diseases/leukemia/l ... cured.html

More!
http://www.consumerhealth.org/articles/ ... 0817224439


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20 Oct 2007, 12:04 pm

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Stuff like going to the doctor and listening to the FDA isn't being a sheeple. It's just common sense.



FDA - it's not too late to learn -
http://www.google.com/search?client=ope ... 8&oe=utf-8

What doctors don't tell you -
http://www.wddty.com/

Follow your heart, not the flock.


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20 Oct 2007, 12:06 pm

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Do you believe that innoculations are a great necessity?

If you answered YES to more than 9 of these questions - you are a sheeple. Baaah Baaah black sheep, have you been fooled? Yessir, yessir a whole lifetime through.


Yes, I believe in routine vaccinations, and anyone who knows their history and has an ounce of sense will realize this is based on solid facts. Do you know what infant and child mortality rates were before routine immunizations?!? Staggering! We live in an age where we have few serious diseases to worry about, we have it very good. We're extremely fortunate.

And what is this "sheeple" stuff? Aside from categorizing and labeling and name-calling, that is.


Indeed. Fortunate.
U.S. has second worst newborn death rate in modern world, report says -
http://www.cnn.com/2006/HEALTH/parentin ... index.html


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20 Oct 2007, 12:17 pm

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"zero proof that polio even exists today"



WHAT??? there are frequent outbreaks in Africa, and Afghanistan and Pakistan!! they think it's eradicated, and then it pops up someplace. the only way to stop the outbreaks is to vaccinate everyone.
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Oh becca. I guess you never heard of biological warfare.
Thank goodness for Google, eh? Now you can find out all kinds of nifty stuff about all kinds of whacky situations. Just remember you heard it here first!


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A. if you believe the spread of polio is due soley to biological warfare, you should do some research on infectious diseases



B. if it it is biological warfare, and we know that terrorist groups have access to the polio virus and are infecting children, shouldn't we make it a priority to vaccinate these children as quickly as possible? you just made yourself an even better case for vaccinations. now that you mention it, it's actually a very scary thought.....

anyways, i think it's important to vaccinate kids so they don't get sick. if that makes me a sheep, so be it
baaaaaa :D


20 October 2007

Vaccine-derived polio spreads in Nigeria

8 October 2007
Source: SciDev.Net

Sixty-nine children in Nigeria have been partially paralysed after weakened viruses from polio vaccines were inadvertently transmitted to people in unvaccinated regions in the north of the country.

Festus Adu, director of the WHO's polio laboratory in Ibadan, Nigeria, told SciDev.Net that this polio outbreak is only appearing in areas where people are refusing to be vaccinated or where there is not enough oral polio vaccine.

"The best way to overcome the outbreak of vaccine-related polio virus is to increase immunisation coverage, making sure that all children get the vaccine," said Adu, whose lab analyses polio samples before sending them for further tests at the Centers for Disease Control in the United States.

Adu, who is also a member of the Nigerian government's polio eradication committee's expert review, said researchers were preparing vaccine alternatives to combat the outbreak.

Adu said monovalent vaccines (which protect against only one of the three strains) should be used in the areas where the virus is still circulating. But nationwide, the polyvalent vaccine (which protects against all three strains of poliovirus) should be aggressively used and coverage increased, he said.

Many Nigerians are blaming the outbreak on vaccination efforts, an attitude experts fear may ruin previous gains in eradicating polio in the country.

The ongoing outbreak in 18 northern states of Nigeria's 36 states started in 2006 that and was reported only last week in Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Review, a journal published by the US Centers for Disease Control.

Nigeria has the largest number of polio cases, accounting for 61 per cent of global polio cases and 95 per cent of cases in Africa, according to the disease surveillance unit of the WHO.

A government immunisation coordinator working in northern Nigeria, who declined to be named, said a heightened immunisation campaign for children was a necessity to stop the epidemic from spreading.

A wide range of government health officials declined to answer SciDev.Net about whether immunisation was being stepped up, saying it was a political as well as a scientific issue and that they were waiting for a statement from minister of health Adenike Grange.

Most of the anti-immunisation campaigns have been in the predominantly Muslim north of Nigeria, and a number of Muslim clerics have been quoted in the Nigerian media as claiming that vaccines are dangerous and cause sterility or illness.

http://www.scidev.net/content/news/eng/ ... igeria.cfm

And this was front page news in the NY Times, right?
Hurry, get your vaccines asap!


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20 Oct 2007, 12:17 pm

Did you drink Kool-Aide when you were a child?

....Only if it was the only thing available...or had the potential to turn my tongue a neon shade of green. Green tongues are cool when you're a kid.


Do you read newspapers?

...sometimes...mostly the want ads & comics

Do you hum commercial tunes?

...on occasion, tunes stick in my head.

No to the rest.


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20 Oct 2007, 5:48 pm

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Stuff like going to the doctor and listening to the FDA isn't being a sheeple. It's just common sense.


I guess you need an update on the FDA then - http://money.cnn.com/2007/10/14/news/co ... 2007101419


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20 Oct 2007, 9:32 pm

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Since when did buying cheap food even though it's bad for you make you a sheep? I buy cheap food because THAT'S ALL I CAN AFFORD.



Then I guess you just don't know that there are healthy alternatives to purchasing food in a supermarket/grocery but require a tad more effort and maybe even some humility - I'm thinking Freegans and farmer's markets at the end of the day. Being poor doesn't have to spell ignorance and bad health habits either for that matter. Just getting some basic information about coops, markets, farms could make all the diff between eating crap and eating the way the body needs.


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I get inoculations because I don't want to DIE. What's wrong with that?


Who said you were going to die if you didn't get a shot?

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I read newspapers to find out what goes on in the world I LIVE IN. Doesn't seem like a following action to me.


Because people with political and social agendas write for newspapers, giving you their perspective on *news* when in fact they do not tell you the entire story from all angles. They tell you what they want you to know and it's upon that reality that you yourself formulate an opinion. Newspapers write to sell copies, they entice you with what they think will make you buy their brand. They give you bonuses in the form of coupons and *helpful hints and recipies* so you'll be sure to be a repeat customer. Heck they even have *funnies* to keep you entertained while on the front pages tragedy and corruption unfold delicately.

Seriously - if you want to know what's really going on in the world from the people's perspective you get your info from numerous unbiased sources - on the web. Drudge comes to mind - but there are others. Personally I read about 10 diff sources and formulate some kind of opinion but only after study, verification and just plain discernment based on my own knowledge. I take no one's word for anything and it's not news till I've seen it with my own two eyes. I don't trust *sources* - I trust resources.


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If I'm not supposed to put my faith in doctors, who can I go to when I need help medically?


You. Yourself. 99% of the time you can heal yourself. And you are your own expert on your own body like no one else could ever be. 99% of all tests are needlessly conducted. 99% of all medication is not warranted when there are alternative herbs, diet changes and excercise that could help if not cure - whereis if i recall correctly there is not one medication out there that has EVER cured anyone of anything except a swollen wallet.


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Pop music is POPULAR by definition. So if it's catchy, we like it.


Who's we? As in we the sheeple? LOL



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Commercial music by definition is any music that makes money. So only poor bands are good? Despite the fact that band that are good sell more records, and thus BECOME commercially successful, and POPULAR (see above). Unless you're referring to commercials in the sense of advertising.. in which case, OF COURSE we do. They're made for that in mind. Doesn't mean we're going to buy the product.


Popular by the industry's standards that sell you glitz, sex and adrenaline in a shiny jewel box or nifty i tuney download. It sells because there's a payoff for you. Popular music is designed to dumb you down and distract you with *beats*. The video just added another level of commercialism where they now shove fashion, trends, politics and immorality in your face so that on all fronts the consumer is hooked on a feeling and has *gotta buy that CD* to be cool, with it, down with it, being accepted and other emotional needs. On a purely musical level there's little there to feed the soul, unless of course you'll go for junk food. Because that's exactly what it is for the ears.


So if I have lung cancer, I can heal myself? If I need a heart transplant, I can mend/GROW my own? I should just cut someone else's out with my in-depth surgical knowledge that I definitely have? I had pneumonia in January of this year; would I have miraculously eliminated all of the gunk in my lungs if I simply believed in myself? Don't be an idiot.

Not all consumers of music buy it because it will make them "cool". Music is designed not to dumb us down, but to soothe us and make us feel emotions. I'd be lost without music. That doesn't make me a follower of the latest trend. And as for the junk food comment, each to their own.

Just because I read newspapers doesn't mean I believe every word said in them. "Funnies" are there to amuse ppl. They don't just buy a newspaper because of them. And you're obviously unaware that EVERY source of information ANYWHERE is biased towards the writers point of view. I think if you put your faith in conspiracy writers it is you who is part of the "sheeple", not us.

If I didn't get a shot for TB or meningitis who knows what would've happened. I'd rather be safe than sorry on that one.

And as healthy alternatives over here in England are most DEFINITELY of a higher price than junk food (which I like the taste of anyway, I don't just buy it to be part of the crowd), I simply cannot afford things such as soy milk, asparagus, or whatever is the new "alternative health" food this month. That, to me, is following the crowd and the advice of others. I'm perfectly healthy and I eat crap. I don't feel in the least bit more ill than when I tried this stupid health food diet. In fact, it made me lose weight and as I'm barely 100lb as it is, that isn't a good thing.

I think you are misunderstanding the definition of "sheeple".

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Sheeple is a term of disparagement, a portmanteau created by combining the words "sheep" and "people"; a reference to herd mentality. It is often used to denote persons who acquiesce to authority, and thus undermine their own human individuality. The implication of sheeple is that as a collective, people believe whatever they are told, especially if told so by authority figures, without processing it to be sure that it is an accurate representation of the real world around them. The term is generally used in a political or religious sense.

The label seems to have originated among conspiracy theorists in the United States of a far right political persuasion. The Wall Street Journal first reported the label in print in 1984, where its reporter encountered the word used by the proprietor of an American Opinion bookstore affiliated with the John Birch Society.[1] In this usage, taxpayers were derided for their perceived blind conformity, as opposed to the conspiracy theorists and tax protesters who thought independently. "Sheeple" are people who pay their taxes and accept what the government and the mass media tell them.


Most of the things you put on that "you're a "sheeple" if" list does not explain what you mean by the term. If you had put maybe "if you believe everything they tell you in newspapers" or "if you believe everything a doctor tells you", or even "if you buy popular music because you think you should" maybe you'd be right. But you didn't. You made innocuous comments about ppl, but it went a little awry didn't it?

Now.. do you REALLY BELIEVE in the term first recorded in print in the Wall Street Journal? Uh. Oh.[/quote]

jjstar, did it never occur to you that some people buy things that are bad for them because they LIKE them? Maybe we dont fancy f*****g about all day looking for the one health-food shop in the area when we could just buy some crap that tastes nice?

Of course everyone who runs a conspiracy website is completely unbiased, obviously.....

NO WAY that a multi-million pound international news agency could be aware of whats going on in the world. Nah, its got to be the guy with the tinfoil hat living in his basement. People who run "independent" news sites NEVER have social or political agendas? You only believe what youve seen with your own two eyes? So you dont believe in moose? Or kodiak bears? Or (insert random wildlife not indigenous to your area). ? And since when have a few comic strips of mild amusing content EVER been introduced to numb you to a global catastrophe? Garfield and Dilbert only exist so you dont notice the government is f*****g you over again?

I assume that you are capable of resetting all the bones in your own body without help? You know how to trepan yourself? Know how to replace your own kidneys do you? Capable of adminstering resuscitation to yourself, then know how to apply a drain, after you get hit by a car and your rib goes through your lungs? please, do reveal your encyclopaedic knowledge of medicine that so outweighs 7 years plus of medical training...

I would be interested to know what "good" music is exactly, by your standards. Mournful dirges about the fate of mother earth? Low quality ska-punk tracks about how fascist the police are? Banging hardhouse anthems about how drugs are really good for you? Maybe, just maybe, not everyone wants to be buried under a deluge of social reality all the time. Would I be right in thinking that your own music collection is made up entirely of garage bands recorded on a borrowed 8 -track, most of whom have sunk without trace?

Take the tinfoil hat off.. the reverse-vampires, working in conjuction with the fourth reich and the saucer-people under the giuse of zionism ARE NOT watching you.


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20 Oct 2007, 9:54 pm

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Do you believe everything you're told?
Did you drink Kool-Aide when you were a child?
Do you live your life vicariously through TV shows?
Do you believe what the FDA tells you?
Do you follow authority figures blindly?
Do you read newspapers?
Do you believe in Democracy?
Do you put your faith in doctors?
Do you follow fashion?
Do you *follow the crowd* because it seems right even if it feels wrong?
Do you hum commercial tunes?
Do you buy cheap food because it's on sale, even though it's unhealthy?
Do you believe that innoculations are a great necessity?
Do you listen to *pop* music?


If you answered YES to more than 9 of these questions - you are a sheeple. Baaah Baaah black sheep, have you been fooled? Yessir, yessir a whole lifetime through.


1. NOPE, and even LESS now!
2. OF COURSE, SO WHAT?
3. NOPE!
4. OF COURSE NOT!
5. OF COURSE NOT!
6. Sometimes
7. Show me one, and I'll lend my support!
8. OF COURSE NOT!
9. NOPE! Too much is STUPID anyway!
10. NEVER
11. Sometimes.
12. RARELY!
13. ONLY because of population and STUPIDITY!
14. Sometimes, SO WHAT?

That MIGHT be 4. STUPID QUIZ though!



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20 Oct 2007, 9:59 pm

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Take the tinfoil hat off.. the reverse-vampires, working in conjuction with the fourth reich and the saucer-people under the giuse of zionism ARE NOT watching you.


First of all, Macbeth, your post was awesome. Second of all, what is a reverse-vampire? Do they regurgitate blood all over people or something (urg)?



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20 Oct 2007, 10:19 pm

I did most of them when I was younger. Now I'm down to just humming commercial tunes if they're cute, like the "Meow Mix" theme.

I don't know if I was sheeple or just gullible. Either way, I guess. :roll:


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