What would you do if an aspie threatened to commit suicide?

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I'd respect the person's decision because it's highly unethical for others to keep a pained human being alive against its will. I'd try to offer a better solution if possible, though.

First of all, I considered commiting suicide after doing a stupid thing after an argument.
It has been 18 months since I considered suicide.

I will try to talk the person out of it and ask them to gradually seek help from a professional.
If they say "F Off!", then I will continuue talking them out of it.

TO your limits. Not past them. There's a difference.
And no, I don't want you to kill yourself.

do you think being dead would be better than being alive? everytime i think about that it always stops me. i cant really get into anyone elses mind so if they do it, they do it. of course i'll feel sad about it but ittle eventually wear off

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It already takes some seriously bad internal issues to push me to my limit, it would have to take a lot of really bad outside s**t to make me pass it, like if my family died and I was left homeless. In that case, nobody would be left to care if I was alive or dead, but I would still feel like a coward if I considered it.

But what if the person is just "joking" or seeking sympathy, and is not really suicidal? Would you still call social services to take him away? And what if once social services get to his/her house, he/she denies being suicidal? Will they take him to the mental hospital anyway? If that's the way the system works, what's stopping a person from maliciously calling social services on his/her enemies?



I agree with Aspie1 for the most part. His post summarizes the reason I felt so upset the moment the psychologist I used to talk to started asking me if I was suicidal. I told her the truth, that I wasn't suicidal, but her questions kept coming, like she wasn't sure if I was being truthful. To this day I still remember the psychological torture she put me through and it still hurts as much as it hurt back then. Imagine if she had sent me to a psychiatric hospital; the pain would have been so unbearable I probably wouldn't be here right now. I simple can't believe she contemplated the idea of putting me through that kind of emotional pain. If I had to go through the pain and humiliation of being internalized for a "crime" I did not commit, I'd probably become suicidal. Irony at its best.

However, I disagree with the part of Aspie1's post where he says that "I simply refuse to put a human being through that. Nobody deserves that treatment, unless he was threatening suicide for attention or personal gain. " Those are some very twisted morals you have. Why should any human being go through that type of torture? If the person is just seeking attention, maybe he deserves humane psychological attention, not torture.

Fair enough. I still don't agree that everyone who does it is a coward, emo, idiot or attention seeker, though.

It would honestly depend on the individual...NT or Aspie...

I cannot feel a general rule in me...though I do know there are some people...NT as well as Aspie, that I could not live with dropping into the mental health system because I know that FOR THEM it would be worse than dying.

But that isn't everyone...

And I will say now that if I ever decide to take my own life, I hope people will have the decency to just let me go gently into that good night...

My Grandmother was a suicide, knowing the facts, she happens to be one of the people I would have tried to stop.

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You guys are making this sound like A Clockwork Orange. THERE IS NO TORTURE! Its no better or worse than rehab, a lot of support groups and s**t like that, no straight jackets or padded rooms. Most mental institutions aren't even like that anymore. Not sure where the hell you have been, maybe it like that in some places but in the rest of the world they won't put you in anywhere close to how Aspie1 described.

I've had someone threaten to commit suicide to me many times. The first time, I called the police. I thought she was telling the truth since she had tried to commit suicide with an entire bottle of Asprin in the past. The police came and she wasn't trying to commit suicide. After hearing threats of suicide many times after that, I know her motives must be something else than really wanting to kill herself. I think she wants empathy.

I think that if someone said they wanted to kill themselves, I would try to get them past this crisis time. Ask them, maybe, to wait a week. A lot of times when people commit suicide it is because something bad has happened, and they can't see past that. They erroneously think that the pain they are feeling is permanent. Hence, I would try to keep them alive untill the severe acute emotional pain has lessened. If keeping them alive for the next week requires that they are hospitalized, then so be it. On another level, if someone is truly making a logical decision that they don't want to live, and consistantly feel that way, it's not a fleeting momentary thought, then I don't know if I have the right to say that they must live. It seems unfair to force someone to live a life they don't want to. At the same time, if there was anything that could be done to improve their life, and make them feel better about themselves, that should be tried.

I find it highly hypocritical that you ask to not be judged when you have made so many judgmental posts in this thread, as well as others. Don't expect anyone to show you understanding when you show no effort in being understanding yourself.

Wouldn't you help the guy?? Treat those the way you want to be treated!"

So your point is that you're not serious about your suicide. You just want someone to talk to. To talk you out of it. So you are just seeking attention.

I've considered suicide a few times in my life. I was not interested in hearing anybody else's opinion. I did not want to be talked out of it. I needed to make that decision myself. The reasons for it were valid. It just happens that my reasons for not doing it outweighed the reasons to do it. I didn't need or want anyone to talk to me about it. Maybe others reasons for doing it outweigh their reasons not to do it. That is their personal decision.

Other times, just in casual conversation the topic of suicide came up. I wasn't suicidal at all. But for some reason others reacted in the most negative fashion. It's like the most horrible thing that can possibly happen. So what this tells me is that if I were suicidal, the last thing I would want to do is talk about it.

What would be even more condescending is the ones who would display the fake attempt at caring. Our society has for some reason made people believe that they must prevent suicides. Why? In some cultures, it is perfectly acceptable. I think many of the major religions are the source. "All life is precious" or "You'll go to H***"

Social services is by definition socialism. This is basically the belief that the government is better at controlling your life than you are. To me, this would amount to torture. So if someone called them for me, it would probably just put me over the edge.

Suicide
*Sang to the M*A*S*H theme: (as much as I can remember)
Through early morning fog I see,
Visions of the things to be;
the pain that is withheld for me.
I realize and I can see,
that suicide is painless.
It brings on many changes,
And I can take or leave it if I please.
And you can do the same thing if you please.

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A very depressed guy talked to me about suicide. I told him to hold off bcause the Lord of the Rings Trilogy movies weren't done and another Marvel movie was coming up and a new Harry Potter book and some other things.

I had a dream once that I killed myself and while dead, got upset because I hadn't eaten a yummy looking pastry that was near by where I killed myself. Then I started worrying about I would pay my VISA bill. Strange.

I used to read a newsgroup that was started by suicidal people. It's hard to off yourself, I think, unless you've managed to get to that place of dispair where suicide isn't vicerallly repelling. The group all accepted that they wanted to die and sometimes someone in the group succeeded. They had horrible stories about the misery involved with failed attempts by using Tylonal.

Sometimes depressed people would come into the group, depressed because of bad but temporary problems. The cronic suicidal people were very compassionate and knowlegable about how the depressed people could get help and how they could stop feeling suicidal. A lot of these people in the group were experts about what the profesionals do to help suicidal people since they'd been there. However, this group knew that nothing could change them.

Sometimes people would crash the forum to give the group pep talks. They were usually flamed and chased away.