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07 Nov 2007, 2:53 pm

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07 Nov 2007, 2:55 pm

i wanna know wich mental disease is the coolest.

i'd say manic depressive



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07 Nov 2007, 2:56 pm

I have every intention to get a disgnosis when I can. Now is not the time however.



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07 Nov 2007, 2:59 pm

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Self diagnosis... makes it harder for people who actually have it, who never wanted to be diagnosed with it.


How so?



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07 Nov 2007, 2:59 pm

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I have every intention to get a disgnosis when I can. Now is not the time however.

It's not about getting a diagnosis, it's about a doctor telling you what your problem is, if you actually have one. If you just go to a dr saying you want to be "diagnosed with aspergers" you are asking them to validate your opinion. You can say "I think I might have X" and they will tell you if you have it or not through a series of tests.



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07 Nov 2007, 3:00 pm

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Space wrote:
Self diagnosis... makes it harder for people who actually have it, who never wanted to be diagnosed with it.


How so?

Because then NT people don't take it seriously when people actually have it. It's like "the boy who cried wolf" but about AS.



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07 Nov 2007, 3:07 pm

Sweetheart, I don't know where you're from, but it's not as easy as "going to see an HMO" or getting a social worker to refer you to one.

In my opinion, a lot of people who were eventually officially diagnosed started with self-diagnosis which was then confirmed professionally. A comparison to a physical condition like AIDS, cancer, or heart disease is an argument that has been brought up before and it doesn't fly here either. There are tests for all three of those conditions which are easily determined. Even then, doctors have made mistakes in diagnosis. There is no hard and fast test for AS even considering the usage of the DSM criteria. It's up to a doctor's interpretation to decide if you fit or not. There is no blood test or any other physical, error proof way to see if a person has AS. Since AS wasn't even really recognized until 1994, many people fell through the cracks as children or young adults and were either misdiagnosed, or worse yet, not given any help at all. Trying to find a doctor who is capable and knowledgable enough about childhood AS is difficult enough, let alone trying to find one capable of understanding the condition in adults.

Self-diagnosis does nothing to those who are officially diagnosed and it definitely doesn't turn it into a joke. Would you care to explain why you think that it turns those professionally diagnosed into jokes? Your statement makes no sense.

I'm in the process of finding an official diagnosis and it's not easy or cheap. I could have put "officially diagnosed" in my profile, but why lie? What harm is it doing you? How is it making it harder for you?



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07 Nov 2007, 3:10 pm

That is what mainstream does to people. Don't pick on people who are self-diagnosed because you are taking swipes at them too and making them seem like they are lying.

There are many reason why someone haven't been to a psychiatrist in their adult life. Not everyone can afford insurance. Not everyone also came from a stable household with understanding parents.

I do however see your frustrations with people who don't have aspergers that claim all their problems with picking up women is because of that. Read that in the other thread. Also, mean people are going to pick on you and throw in their reason. That's all they like to do. Pick pick pick.

For example people like Rush Limbaugh when it comes to Michael J. Fox. How he treated that topic. Why care about what those kind of people think? They take swipes and try to make you seem like you are full of it because they cannot bring themselves to understand. Their whole life has revolved around converting so you should too and if you don't well you are just a no good jerk.


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07 Nov 2007, 3:13 pm

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Just thought I would say this. If you "think" you have it, then see a psychologist and get their opinion. You can't "self-diagnose" aspergers, schizophrenia, bi-polar, or depression any more than you can self diagnose AIDS, cancer, heart disease, etc.


I disagree about this - even though we all agree that AS is a neurological condition, medicine still doesn't have a way of definitely diagnosing it, only series of psychological/performance tests and inquiries about behaviour that make it likely that a person has it. If you're an intelligent person able to make scientific conclusions, it's very possible to reach a solid self-diagnosis that's most likely more accurate than what you could get from a psychologist or psychiatrist, by checking if you have all the symptoms that are distinctive for this condition.

There are of course people without much of a clue that for no valid reason start to believe they have AS, of course, but intelligent people shouldn't have to concern themselves with the false conclusions of these ones.

On this forum as well, there have been people with an official AS diagnosis that have scored really low on rdos' test, making me doubt the absolute value of such a diagnosis, professionals can make mistakes too.



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07 Nov 2007, 3:20 pm

No offense but,

I know more about AS than any "professionals" I could go to for a diagnosis. They haven't heard of it, much less feel a desire to even ask what it is.


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07 Nov 2007, 3:21 pm

As for Dr's, I live in Canada, so I don't pay anything if want to see one. Those who think american healthcare sucks should consider moving here.

Also, there have been some valid points made, and maybe I made this thread in haste. My issue is that there are many NT people out there who feel that AS is either A) made up or B) is the "trendy internet disorder" of the month which nerds label themselves with. This is probably noone's fault here, and I apologize if I offended anyone, and I realize this thread was a little unnecessary.

I also realize that there probably won't be finite diagnostic criteria for several decades, or until they can identify the "autism gene." I am sure there is a gene, because it is genetic. My older brother was diagnosed with classical autism when he was 3 or 4, I was diagnosed with AS at age 19 (I am 24 now). Also my dad and mom have some AS traits, and there is a wide spectrum of autism and AS with people having different levels of symptoms and traits, so it is impossible to put everyone in the same, or one of a few categories. Again, sorry if I offended anyone with this thread.



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07 Nov 2007, 3:25 pm

Space wrote:
ev8 wrote:
Space wrote:
Self diagnosis... makes it harder for people who actually have it, who never wanted to be diagnosed with it.


How so?

Because then NT people don't take it seriously when people actually have it. It's like "the boy who cried wolf" but about AS.


NEWS for you! They do NOT care about diagnosis! They care about the PERCEPTION! If a doctor says you have CP, a deflated lung, and will die tomorrow of whooping cough, but you don't, they will think it is a JOKE, and declare the doctor a QUACK! If you say you have a cold, but they think you have CP and an immunity disease, they will say you better see a doctor, etc...

BTW Diagnosing AS is more like diagnosing CP or pregnancy.

A psychiatrist won't change that. OK, I may seem normal, but I can't seem TOO normal, based on how people treat me, etc... I'm also not normal. But HEY, AS people as a group aren't supposed to be THAT easy to spot anyway.

Still, AS is just a name given to one that has a certain set of symptoms. Even psychiatrists can't decide what constitutes a given symptom. Did you know that MOST say AS people CAN'T have significant delayed speech, but gillberg said they SHOULD!?!? http://www.aspergers.com/aspcrit.htm

So WHAT GIVES?



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07 Nov 2007, 3:26 pm

Space wrote:
As for Dr's, I live in Canada, so I don't pay anything if want to see one. Those who think american healthcare sucks should consider moving here.

Also, there have been some valid points made, and maybe I made this thread in haste. My issue is that there are many NT people out there who feel that AS is either A) made up or B) is the "trendy internet disorder" of the month which nerds label themselves with. This is probably noone's fault here, and I apologize if I offended anyone, and I realize this thread was a little unnecessary.

I also realize that there probably won't be finite diagnostic criteria for several decades, or until they can identify the "autism gene." I am sure there is a gene, because it is genetic. My older brother was diagnosed with classical autism when he was 3 or 4, I was diagnosed with AS at age 19 (I am 24 now). Also my dad and mom have some AS traits, and there is a wide spectrum of autism and AS with people having different levels of symptoms and traits, so it is impossible to put everyone in the same, or one of a few categories. Again, sorry if I offended anyone with this thread.


Space, it's okay. I hope you don't feel bad.


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07 Nov 2007, 3:26 pm

Let's just agree that this thread is pointless and should be canned, ok?



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07 Nov 2007, 3:27 pm

You're the one who started the thread, but I'm all for it. The discussion in these threads always turns pointless very quickly and all arguments have been made elsewhere. Live and let live.



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07 Nov 2007, 3:28 pm

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Space, it's okay. I hope you don't feel bad.

Good. I usually don't care what people think, but I seriously don't want to make people upset when they come to WP, it should be a haven for people who are misunderstood elsewhere.