Why do NT's say aspies think they are superior?

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I never understood the competition. I don't get how people can think they are superior by their race, gender, minds. When I have met people in my life who thought they were superior and felt like belittling others, they were actually intimidated by that person or were scared.

Is this just a way to push those that they themselves think might be "superior" to them down?
Maybe it's to keep their own special checks and balances in check by their own personal standards?

This isn't just referring to NT or autistics but anyone that feels this way and belittles others over their so called superiority.

I haven't met a single person that can do everything and do it well.

Judging from attitudes on this forum, some Autistic people try to alienate themselves and use rare cases where people on the spectrum have achieved something with their life as a basis for their superiority as a group, because clearly, every autistic person is as smart as Einstein. Other simply come across as aloof and haughty due to the cold, unemotional signal they portray through their lack of non-verbal communication skill.

I think I remember seeing a thread that I can not find about a person claiming whites were superior because white males had AS or something.

Anyway, I think once apon a time aspergers was thought of as male because when it was founded, there was still alot of "well you are female or you are black, you can't have a dysfunction that may mean you have something you could be very intelligent with"

Also, I've seen people who weren't autistic skew someone else's even mentioning Einstein or a good positive example into claiming that person is trying to say all people with aspergers are geniuses and better than everyone else.

It wasn't the case at all. The person who mentioned Einstein was referring to all the bad things those with aspergers are labelled with and are thought of as failures. Sometimes it's a hey look at the positive sides. Other times it could be someone with a big head trying to seem like they are superior. Ego's are everywhere and anyone can have an inflated one.

People have taken it the wrong way though. Do people think we should just sulk and have no positive examples just so they won't take it the wrong way and get uptight and offended?

For those that make threads and have aspergers about white male superiority, let me find an axe to chop down your huge imaginary wooden pedestal.

Hold please.

Kitsy, I doubt any male AS person truly feels women can't have the same affliction(Forgive the bad connotation with that term). Ironically, one possible side affect of AS is that the afflicted gets a lot of those things some men have prided their sex as having, even though it turns out many men DON'T! THAT is probably why some say that it is "extreme male", but you do get some things women generally have too. So how could one seriously consider themselves superior for that?

Besides, there is nothing saying a woman couldn't be just as adept. It is simply that women have historically not been into technical things.

As for AS people considering themselves superior, I doubt that is quite so simple. In some ways, I DO consider myself superior. In others, inferior. Of course, when I was a little kid, people went off doing what they knew NOTHING about, and IGNORED my educated advice. It was easy for me to see adults as STUPID. Being asked to open CHILDPROOF containers didn't help!

TODAY, I am in a high paid industry, so there are a LOT of idiots!(Everyone wants to be in it, and bosses often can't properly interview applicants.) So it is easy to see myself as superior. Still, I have known a number of people I have known and admired, in my industry, and I think only a couple have AS. One of them was even indian!! !!(I don't think the indian, or any indians I have met, had autism or were AS) He didn't meet all the characteristics of being black(Though he had the same skin color), but he was also clearly not caucasion. Ironically, he was going to retire the year after I met him!

Anyway, a LOT of NTs, even ones that are mentally clearly inferior, consider themselves SUPERIOR! So they really have no right to complain.

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I wish that NTs could recognise that if they accepted differently thinking people that together they could be more than the sum of their parts. Both sides have their weaknesses and strengths. It seems that majority populations natually oppress minorities until they are enlightened.

When you say you are "better" than someone, it's a rather vague term. There should normally be a context attached to it, otherwise people tend to assume you mean you are "better" than someone at everything, and that's often a sign of arrogance. I know that being an Aspie means being better at certain things--not everything, just some things, but I don't have a desire to tell you what things I'm better at than most other people, unless you sincerely wish to know about it.

1. I haven't seen many men on this board bash female aspies. That is a good thing.

2. About the women not historically being into techinal things, well history books in school don't mention how Eli Whitney's cotton gin was actually also invented along with his wife. During that time women weren't allowed to hold patents. To this day, history books refuse to acknowledge her contribution.

Also, Leise Meitner a jewish female was the one who actually split the atom. She worked with her male collegues who hated her being around. She had to eat in the basement and did not recieve the nobel peace prize. Instead the males gladly took all credit for it.

Engine muffler was invented by Miss Eldorado Jones.

Dishwasher- Josephine Cochran

Rotary engine- Margaret Knight

Winshield wiper- Mary Anderson

Binary code- Lady Augusta Ada Byron


Women have been behind the scenes all along. It just isn't revealed in mainstream history books.



3. lol yes someone asking you as a child to open childproof containers...I can see why you would get annoyed.


4. What kind of behaviors do you notice in your enviroment? Are you the one people call for help when something goes wrong?

5. Well there are things Nt's are mentally good at doing but I think you mean "mentally" by abilities to problem solve etc? Explain what type of mentally inferior things you have noticed. I sometimes think people panic over others that are more loners. It makes them question and think and often think about themselves. It challenges them. So then they try to change you, fix you so that they themselves won't feel the need to change.

I knew this one girl. She tried to change me into her. I listened to her advice but didn't follow through. Several years later, she turned into punk rock girl. Very strange psychology indeed.

well, prepare to repair that attitude and assumption, 2ukenkerl, and educate your self on women in history that have 'been into technical things.' I am glad to smash that stereotype.


More information about women in computer science can readily be found on the Internet at The Ada Project web site, built by Yale University, THE ADA PROJECT

What of the role of women in computing? From the earliest days of computing to the writing of the Standard Template Library, women have played an active and leading role in computer science. The following examples should quickly prove this statement to be true.

Ada Lovelace
We can start with a question: who was the U.S. Army's programming language named after? Ada Lovelace, daughter of the English poet Lord Byron. (Rather ungallantly, Byron left Ada and her mother, Anne Isabella Milburke, when Ada was one year of age, to seek glory in Greece, where he succumbed to a fever instead of leading a stirring charge—history can be quite unforgiving.) A brilliant mathematician, she worked on the analytic engine with Charles Babbage, devising a method of programming based on the cards used on a Jaquard loom—a type of input some of us older people can remember from standardized testing in our school days, or from the Simpsons cartoon, where Apu wrote a tic-tac-toe game in his university days (before becoming the fifth Beatle).

With their combined algebraic skills, the pair set off to the racetrack to apply logic to horse racing in an attempt to win enough money to build their machine. This effort resulted in Lady Lovelace having to pawn her jewelry to keep out of debt—a lesson learned, I am sure. Financial problems aside, the machine, which was never built in their lifetime, was completed not that many years ago and did work, just as Ada said it would in her paper “Observations on Mr. Babbage's Analytical Engine”. Before the project collapsed in a fury of bad debt, Lady Lovelace wrote a working program to calculate Bernoulli numbers.

In this early moment of computing, a woman was actively involved. Indeed, if it is true that women have the keener language skills of the two sexes, it would follow that they would be more than able to contribute to computer science.

Grace Murray Hopper
Skipping a few decades, we come to the attack on Pearl Harbor and the American entry into World War Two. The epic navy battles of the Pacific Theater of Operations showed the need to find a way to quickly calculate the flight of a shell fired from the great eight-inch guns of the USN. The math was simple enough (maybe not for me, but for others), but in the stress of battle, errors were not uncommon. A calculator was devised to make the work simpler and easier. In the pressure of war, expediency won out over ingrained sexist ideas, and many women were recruited for the projects, which in a few years led to the birth of the electronic computer.

One of the most significant of these young women was Grace Murray Hopper. A slight woman, who taught at Vassar before the war and was obsessed with nanoseconds, she talked the USN into allowing her to volunteer even though the Navy preferred to have its scientific researchers as civilians. In the Bureau of Ordnance Computation, she worked on the early computers—vast machines weighing many tons and needing crews of programmers to work them. Tasks were performed by plugging wires into the back of the machine. Many of the wire-plugging programmers were women.

Grace Hopper, later promoted to Rear Admiral, is credited with many innovations in her field. Among the most important was her first use of the word bug. A moth once flew into the machine, and was “battered to death” by a relay. Grace, upon extracting the poor dead insect, taped it into one of her notebooks and wrote, “The first actual case of a bug being found.” A new phrase for the source of a hair-tearing error was coined. On a more serious note, her laziness (one of the virtues of a programmer) led her to develop the first compiler for the UNIVAC in the mid-fifties. Until then, all coding had been done in machine code, a time-consuming and often frustrating activity. The ability to write English words to get the job done was a great advance in computer science, although it met with strong resistance from engineers at the time. Grace Hopper learned to loathe the phrase “but this is how we have always done it.”

The invention of the compiler led directly to her work on the development of the FORTRAN and COBOL programming languages, which she helped write and later refined and standardized as a member of the Standards Committee. COBOL, notwithstanding the success of C, is still the most common language in use today; more lines of code are produced in COBOL than in any other language. It is a fitting testimony to her achievement. The invention of the compiler is one of those things that is easy to take for granted, but for ease of use and the ability to port code, it is a very powerful tool.

Adele Goldstine
Another woman working during WWII was Adele Goldstine, who in 1946 revamped the ENIAC as a stored program computer, and is responsible for the quote “It was a son-of-a-bitch to program.” This development of the stored program allowed the computer to perform a new task without reconfiguring the entire system. She wrote the manual for the ENIAC as well.

Betty Holberton
At the same time, Betty Holberton was working on the UNIVAC and concerning herself with human engineering (i.e., user-friendliness). She developed a language called C-10, which allowed commands to be typed in rather than having to reset all the wires. Her system used mnemonic characters to input, for example, “a” for add and “b” for bring. In her work, she initiated the standard we still use today—the numeric pad next to the keyboard. In spite of all these efforts, she must be taken to task for her insistence that black was too intimidating a color for a computer, which resulted in the use of that horrible beige color for modern computers.

Conclusion
This is a discussion of only a few of the women involved in the development of the computer; however, many features we take for granted were developed by these women—the keyboard layout, the compiler, the stored program, the ugly colors and more.

Finally, two other women should be mentioned: first, the Editor of Linux Journal, Marjorie Richardson (I've never been one to miss a chance to court favor), and the author of Essential System Administration, Æleen Frisch. This text may have been of the most use to me in my vain attempts to conquer Linux.

Oh, yeah! and ME,

Merle A. Morrigan rode the DOT.COM boom to bust designing technical service for Gateway 2000, Inc in North Sioux City, South Dakota and actually makeing a decent living in technology because it was the first time you could be in the work place and not have to go up the corporate ladder, you could go up the technical ladder!!

Merle

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Well, I don't know about the other things, but saying ANYONE came up with the "binary code" is like saying someone figured how to add two and two. The fact is that memory degrades, ESPECIALLY the older dynamic memory. That left a problem, and detection can be involved, so they have an on/off state that meant that binary was just a natural outgrowth. As for storing numbers, nobody ever even actually decided HOW to handle overflow or storage, so the term endian came into being.

http://www.kerryr.net/pioneers/binary.htm Speaks of Lady augusta, but gives credit for binary to the likes of Gottfried Leibniz who supposedly did so like 200 years earlier. IRONICALLY, the one whos name is most closely related to methodologies around it is George Boole, who was born about the same time as lady augusta. Still, one would be hard pressed to make a NON boolean(forgive the term. ) system at the scale of a computer of any appreciable size.

When I was a little kid, and learned about digital circuitry, THIS is what they were talking about. AND, NAND, OR,XOR, gates, etc... Even a few registers thrown in now and then. Computers were almost unheard of at the time outside of gigantic companies and sci/fi movies.

BTW Mary Anderson does NOT sound like a german name! It was my understanding that mercedes benz came up with that!

Oh well ...




Now YOU seem to be bashing men!



I wasn't annoyed, but the caps were created to prevent kids, like ME at the time, from opening them and getting poisoned, and the idea was that adults COULD open them. I opened them with ease, and many adults asked me to because THEY couldn't!



HECK YEAH! Just last friday, some coworkers were complaining that I was doing too much too fast with too few errors, so THEY are expected to do more! I was given a whole other project because I am bored silly, and others still have some work left.



Well, some look at a computer as a magical box that you say do this and that and it does it. They don't understand how, etc.... I have studied from the resistors up to compiler theory, and understand things a lot better. I also tend to reason things out if any part of my understanding appears wrong.

Just a couple weeks ago I saw someone putting a piece of code into computer A to basically return data in a desired sequence. THEY thought that they tell A to do it, and it does it! ***I*** saw the TRUTH! The truth was that they told computer A WRONG, so it didn't inform computer A, but computer B! THEY figured that computer A searches all the data as say 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10! ***I*** knew it DOESN'T! That is TOO SLOW! It searches more like 5,3,4! It is what is known as a binary search. The problem is that it won't find things properly unless they are sorted in the agreed order. So I had to remove the code telling computer B to sort, and tell computer A to tell computer B to sort so that computer A could search the returned data properly.

There are other things, but you get the picture, hopefully. BTW I am using an application, and this is just the way it works. Besides, this gives more flexibility with less effort, in the long run.

Some general logic problems, arrogance, etc... have also led me to question the intelligence of a lot of people. Oh well, when I do a really stupid thing, I can't kick myself TOO hard, because I have seen WORSE from others!

I am considered a good teacher, but sometimes I just GIVE UP! Someone "wants to know what the problem is", but apparently can't remember it for even a split second. I tell them a SIMPLE answer, and they repeat a stupid variant of their idea. I may try 2-3 times to correct it. If I can't, and their idea isn't too likely to cause problems, I just let it go.



Well, I will NEVER understand piercings, tatoos, or punk rock.

sinsboldly,

I won't speak on the other, as I can't speak with as much knowledege about that, but grace hoppers talks appear, to me, to be overly simplistic, etc... I have NEVER heard of her inventing fortran, etc... According to all sources I have read, that was a private effort.

Wikipedia claims that hopper worked to create validation software and even implies that that only refined the spec for COBOL. Still, COBOL Zealots aside, COBOL was an excessively wordy and confusing language. The idea that a perform will perform a paragraph, but a goto will perform every paragraph from that point, is just one silly oversight that makes even the STRUCTURE bad. Don't even get me started on periods, and how bad compilers were on reporting them, etc.... And LOTS of people were almost ENCOURAGED to redefine things and do things with data that had NO real standards, so a new implementation of COBOL could cause them to fail. And is there any standard locking mechanism in COBOL? I don't remember ever seeing one.

Graces validation software must have been REAL bad, or just not widely used. BTW this is not an attack on women. I felt the SAME way about COBOL before I ever heard about Grace Hopper!

I am not bashing men for stating that in the history of females regarding science that there was mistreatment in that field. It is the truth. It sheds light on why so many times people bring up that women weren't in the technical field when it wasn't true. It's just what history refuses to show us.

Alot of people also say oh well this was done before to discredit a scientist.

Here is something to read. Rosalind Franklin.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosalind_Franklin

This is just to show you how women were shunned in the scientific community and actually the refusal to bring up more than Marie Curie shows today that there still is an exclusion which leads some guys to think today still that women were just never around. It's not true.


It's all about the game of credit.


I have a punk girl spirit. I never felt the need to get tats and piercings to show that either.


Regarding the link I sent you, I will show you a snippet that details how women were treated regarding science and universities.

In the summer of 1938 Franklin went to Newnham College, Cambridge. She passed her finals in 1941, but was only awarded a decree titular, as women were not entitled to degrees (BA Cantab.) from Cambridge at the time.

Much like what aspies male and female deal with today around their peers, minorities as a whole have constantly battled with. It's the inferior and superior battle.

Treating people as though they are too stupid to get something and showing frustration towards them is much like people showing frustrations for our lack of NT's general interests. It comes across that way.

My whole life doesn't revolve around the gender correct hobby and profession but I've had to put up with exclusion for not being the stereotypical female. There are people who are more open-minded and aren't upset or get their ego's bruised and those people I enjoy having in my life.

actually, to be in technology, as to be in say, cooking, does not mean you are necessarily good at what you do. There are far more mediocre people in any profession male or female. You don't have to be good to be in technology. you just gotta know more than they do.

That didn't come across as arrogant to me. You just observe abilities.

I think that they don't realize we are asking questions about what they do and all objectively. Instead, they feel that it is personal, and get defensive. Aside from that, I know I can come across extremely arrogant at times if I know about something that is being talked about. I also tend to not really ask or listen to others when they are talking about their interests.

What I see as "cocky" behavior, or arrogance, I suppose I am much like when it comes to someone observing or dealing with me, lol. I don't intend to be that way at all, as I am often thinking a lot of things that would probably make things sound a lot better if I could just express them, lol. So instead I come across as cold and distant, which sometimes just makes people think I'm extremely self-absorbed... and to be honest, sometimes I feel like I actually AM just self-absorbed, lol, because it is difficult for me to become interested in any topic I have not chosen myself. Add on the "know it all" type of thing that others seem to get out of me, and "interrogations" when someone mentions something I don't understand the point of or anything, and well, we're left with a big jerk pretty much... lol. One day I'll figure things out a bit better socially, and hopefully won't come across this way, but for now, I'm kind of stuck until I can learn how to express things better

Granted, I don't always come across as a jerk... the times that I don't come across that way, I come across as a wonderful doormat, lol.

You're right about that. You aren't cocky or arrogant if you are merely outspoken, confident, and assertive in what you know. Others may think that, but that is THEIR problem!