Are you embarrassed about being Jewish?

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ok I'll let them know over in Do you worry that you might be a thread killer? we worry terribly about such things.

I would be if i were Jewish, i mean theres a bit of a superiority inferiority complex about jews.

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Not even Adolf?

Well HEY, many JEWS aren't too crazy about others EITHER! I have spoken at length with many that were jewish, and some forgot I wasn't jewish, and I just listened.

Hitler DID go WAY out of line, told a lot of lies, etc... But I think what started his problem with the jews, and a lot of the stuff said to garner support, was that kind of thinking. HECK, the nazi battle cry "Germany for germans", and even the name of the party NAZI=National Socialism(In other words, Germany for Germans), refered to that rather than any perceived physical difference or inferiority. All I can say about THAT is that hitler was stupid and insane.

And you KNOW that people say VERY bad things about the jews. Just look at Jesse Jackson, neo nazis, kkk, nazis, napoleon, even the bible(old and new testament). AND, if you doubt that the old testament isn't legit(aka the jewish torah, etc....), just go to a book store and buy ANY actual TRANSLATION(Popular ones are NIV(New international version), ASB(American Standard)), KJB(King James), NKJB(New King James))(Some, like "The Living Bible" are interpretations and not true translations. They include the authors interpretations into the text, and some of that can be wierd. They aren't NEARLY as popular as the translations that DO end up being pretty good.), and give the old testament part to any reasonable hebrew scholar(Even a good orthodoxed jewish rabbi) and ASK THEM! Heck, look at genesis, exodus, or esther!

On second thought, FORGET IT! There is a little story in there, in the book of esther, that talks about a holocaust, and jewish people created a holiday(purim) around it. Just ask ANY somewhat knowledgable cultural jewish person about it!

http://www.jewfaq.org/holiday9.htm

Esther IS a bad example of hatred of the jews in the old testament, since it is about an arrogant jerk(That had some power) that wanted to be treated like a king, and a jew decided to NOT treat him as a king. Still, he singled out ALL the jews, and there ARE stories where the jews weren't very honorable.

http://www.wrongplanet.net/postt44374.html

There was another discussion just a few weeks back about Aspieness and Jewishness which was shot down for callous bigotry. Perhaps it is because it is Jews who are being anti-semitic on this thread that the discussion passes muster.

There is a lot to admire about Jewish peoples, but there are also group attributes which could lead to deeper problems with the wider community in the future. And I say this as an Asian who lived for a number of years in the United States. Much of what is said about the Jewish community is also true of the Asian community. Both groups share positive traits like a good work ethic and a strong emphasis on learning that creates the impression that they are smarter. Success, separateness and minority status are just bad combinations in any social makeup. More so in a country like the United States where race relations are just completely messed up. Living in New York I have seen Jewish people get spat on by vagrants in midtown Manhattan just because they wore the orthodox garb. As an Asian, I have been threatened with assault by drunken red necks from upstate just because I was an Asian guy in a suit. Now that the great American dream machine has stalled, what will come of things? Who will they blame?

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You are certainly right THERE! And CONGRATS! You recognized something it seems like few realize. It tends to get WORSE as the economy gets worse. Ironically, greenspan and clinton are more direct causes to the bad economy than the average asian, jewish person, etc... Clinton even got rid of a safety net that could lead to MAJOR bank collapses if something very bad(like the current "sub prime loans" crises) happens! And YEP! That happened in NAZI germany also.

Kal,

I don't think it's about pascal's wager, at least in the case of the Jews I've spoken to. There's no threat of eternal suffering in Judaism (more focus on this life than the afterlife anyway) and, for the many of those people who are spiritual but not observant, in a religion that's focused more on action as a measure of most anything, spirituality alone doesn't mean much at all. I think it's more about finding something that they value and find meaningful. Certainly for me prayer and meditation as well as the various calendrical observances are meaningful practices that I find enriching and in some cases transformative. I would think that in the case of those who are less observant there's something along those lines too, although for others it may also be a sense of obligation to a community. I think that the G!d-gene is a bit about a theotropic pull that some have and others don't, and for those who do have it I think even in rejection of a spiritual practice there can still be a certain gravitation at least to the periphery where it's safer and requires less effort.

I've met many who took Pascals wager. MANY. Different cultures I suspect.

Yes, many people find meaning in much more secular ways , different places to find meaning. I think many people need to believe in a higher power, a father figure in the sky, because, on the whole, life is inherently meaningless until you build meaning into it. Of course, that does not make anything true. You can find meaning in philosophy, in nature, in art, in anything really.

On the whole though, I have repeatedly run into Pascal's Wager when discussing religion with Christians in California. A "search for meaning" argument is only given by a very few, most who I counter with the ability to find meaning in so much more, and the fact that it still does not make it true. This usually leaves us at a stand still. Meaning is subjective, and can you find an objective truth in it, or in anything? Difficult questions.

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erm, Greenspan IS Jewish...

He's a nobody.

I reckon Adolf was a Jewish agent.

Damn it! Stop interrupting the conversation with your crap!

His grandmother was Jewish was she not??

Those are simply rumors that were never confirmed.

I allmost ruined someones hero (hitler) when i told them he was a zionist agent.