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13 Oct 2005, 2:18 pm

I am currently weighing the pros and contras of a family run on explicit rules and regulations. Each person's place in the family structure is well defined; equality in justice is assumed. Mothers and fathers will be referred to as the female superego instiller and the male superego instiller respectively—or preferably by their names. None of this Mom and Dad stuff. A familiar constitution will be drafted and voted upon by all those who meet voting requirements. Creativity and original thinking will be encouraged during specific "Brainstorming Periods" set at regular intervals throughout the week. During such times, family members will present and discuss an original idea, which the rest will debate.

I can only see this as being a good thing. I know most NT women won't be up for such a thing, but does anyone here think this is a good plan?



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13 Oct 2005, 2:32 pm

sure why not, it must be better than letting the parents decide everytihng...



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13 Oct 2005, 6:19 pm

Understood, sir.


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13 Oct 2005, 7:14 pm

Why not just stick with mum and dad? It is quite possible to call your parents titles of respect and endearment and follow their guidelines without them abusing their position of power. Besides, they are adults: someone has to take responsibility for teaching children! For the most part, I think that parents do listen to the input of their children, but ultimately the onus falls on them to keep some semblance of order...


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13 Oct 2005, 7:44 pm

I can pictue it now, an infant saying his or her first word:

"Femmawwe supahehgo intillah!"

"HE/SHE SAID MY NAME FIRST OH MY GOD!! !"



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13 Oct 2005, 9:32 pm

Children, for the most part, should not be allowed to make the decisions.

HOWEVER, there input should always be requested, listened to, and taken into serious and ample consideration since most decisions will undoubtedly affect them as well.


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13 Oct 2005, 9:46 pm

From Anthony Giddens' Reith Lecture, 1999 >>

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A good relationship is a relationship of equals, where each party has equal rights and obligations. In such a relationship, each person has respect, and wants the best, for the other. The pure relationship is based upon communication, so that understanding the other person's point of view is essential.

Talk, or dialogue, are the basis of making the relationship work. Relationships function best if people don't hide too much from each other - there has to be mutual trust. And trust has to be worked at, it can't just be taken for granted....

This holds as much in parent-child relations as in other areas. These can't, and shouldn't, be materially equal. Parents must have authority over children, in everyone's interests. Yet they should presume an in-principle equality. In a democratic family, the authority of parents should be based upon an implicit contract. The parent in effect says to the child: 'If you were an adult, and knew what I know, you would agree that what I ask you to do is legitimate'.

Children in traditional families were - and are - supposed to be seen and not heard. Many parents, perhaps despairing of their children's rebelliousness, would dearly like to resurrect that rule. But there isn't any going back to it, nor should there be. In a democracy of the emotions, children can and should be able to answer back.


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14 Oct 2005, 12:19 am

PhoenixKitten wrote:
Why not just stick with mum and dad? It is quite possible to call your parents titles of respect and endearment and follow their guidelines without them abusing their position of power. Besides, they are adults: someone has to take responsibility for teaching children! For the most part, I think that parents do listen to the input of their children, but ultimately the onus falls on them to keep some semblance of order...


Being obsessed with Middle-earth, I call my parents by their Elvish names, Ada (father) and Naneth (one of the variations on mother, the other one is Ammë), though this is more when I am talking about them, not directly to them. I agree that children should show respect to their parents. After all, many times their parents are wiser (as well as older!), and elders should be shown respect. Too bad if this sounds like an Asian perspective on this issue. ;)

Parents tend to give some control over to kids as they get older. Choices and freedom comes with responsibility. Total freedom is not being able to do whatever you want, but it is being able to make good choices under the rules and regulations that are set by those in authority. Parents need to be able to guide their children to make the right choices until they can make them for themselves.


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14 Oct 2005, 12:51 am

Namiko wrote:
...I agree that children should show respect to their parents. After all, many times their parents are wiser (as well as older!), and elders should be shown respect. Too bad if this sounds like an Asian perspective on this issue. ;)

Actually, I've seen some anthropology stuff on traditional Asian families, and I find the rigidly defined traditions, prototcols, and family roles appealing. Especially in northwestern Chineese culture.



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14 Oct 2005, 8:09 am

Namiko wrote:
After all, many times their parents are wiser (as well as older!), and elders should be shown respect.


Yeah, I've noticed that many parents are older than their kids too! :P :lol:


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14 Oct 2005, 2:32 pm

Sophist wrote:
Children, for the most part, should not be allowed to make the decisions.

HOWEVER, there input should always be requested, listened to, and taken into serious and ample consideration since most decisions will undoubtedly affect them as well.


With this point I have to fully agree. A very young child (baby to 2) is incapable of getting informed enough on many issues to be able to make decisions on their lives, later as they get older give them a chance for input or a choice between *this* and *that*, etc. until they are able to handle decisions more effectively and be able to know it should be within a certain limit.



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14 Oct 2005, 4:49 pm

PhoenixKitten wrote:
Namiko wrote:
After all, many times their parents are wiser (as well as older!), and elders should be shown respect.


Yeah, I've noticed that many parents are older than their kids too! :P :lol:


I was having a Captian Obvious moment there. :|

A strict Asian household is one approach to things. I like it because that's how I was raised and how I am used to being treated. Everyone in my family knows his/her place and it doesn't seem like people get out of control too often. Parents are meant to be obeyed, even if we question their authority.


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14 Oct 2005, 5:52 pm

I've often wondered if there are fewer problems in American families that come from backgrounds with a stong patriarchal structure, Such as the Asians or American Indians. :?



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14 Oct 2005, 6:12 pm

I don't think so. I think families with more active fathers are more likely to have problems. I don't know why, but that is just my opinion.


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14 Oct 2005, 10:04 pm

Sean wrote:
I've often wondered if there are fewer problems in American families that come from backgrounds with a stong patriarchal structure, Such as the Asians or American Indians. :?


If someone did some research on that, we could find an answer. Heck, there's probably already some study that's already been done on this topic, so maybe we could find out even faster. I think it depends on how the kids react to authority, like whether they submit to their parents because of strict rules, or if they rebel because of the rules imposed on them.


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