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05 Nov 2005, 2:01 am

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I guess this all very sad for you guys, best of luck in getting over it?
I think in time We all will be able to get over in Our Own Way.


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05 Nov 2005, 3:41 am

The mental capacity that it takes to recognize that it is wrong to torture animals is not superior. It is barely enough to make one a real human being. A real-world working definition of a "bully" is someone who tortures another person, then gets them in trouble for fighting back. The person who he does it to catches the blame, the culpability, and then the one who assigns the blame feels that his or her duty has been discharged. It is that simple. I believe that the bullies want these shooting incidents to happen, just below the surface, just behind the scenes.

These people who commit murder/suicide are never the ones who initiated the game. They wouldn't play it. They don't really know how. The horrible irony is that violence isn't in their nature until it is forced in. They became vulnerable when they decide, way early in their lives, to develop their intelligence and act like human beings. It takes them a long time to understand that so many humans aren't like that. It's hard for someone to believe that so many of the humans they deal with fall below minimum standards of functional intelligence. Take note of the fact that I said "functional" intelligence. Intelligent is as intelligent does.



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06 Nov 2005, 2:13 am

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The mental capacity that it takes to recognize that it is wrong to torture animals is not superior. It is barely enough to make one a real human being. A real-world working definition of a "bully" is someone who tortures another person, then gets them in trouble for fighting back. The person who he does it to catches the blame, the culpability, and then the one who assigns the blame feels that his or her duty has been discharged. It is that simple. I believe that the bullies want these shooting incidents to happen, just below the surface, just behind the scenes.

These people who commit murder/suicide are never the ones who initiated the game. They wouldn't play it. They don't really know how. The horrible irony is that violence isn't in their nature until it is forced in. They became vulnerable when they decide, way early in their lives, to develop their intelligence and act like human beings. It takes them a long time to understand that so many humans aren't like that. It's hard for someone to believe that so many of the humans they deal with fall below minimum standards of functional intelligence. Take note of the fact that I said "functional" intelligence. Intelligent is as intelligent does.


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06 Nov 2005, 11:42 am

I was considering revealing my AS diagnosis to my employer.

After all of this stuff with William Freund being all over the news, I've decided against it. I'm just going to muddle through with the help of meds.



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06 Nov 2005, 11:50 am

You can always come here and talk to us too Fahreeq. :D



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07 Nov 2005, 6:41 pm

when your in such a bad state of mind your lost of feelings and reason,not careing of anything
so one may seek a revenge before doing his final goul.



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10 Nov 2005, 7:56 pm

Geraldo will be featuring a segment on William Freund tonight at 6pm. The commercial I just saw on it mentioned A.S stated it to be a type of autism and questions whether it played a part in the shooting spree. The show is on the local fox channel. I dont know about anywhere else but here(Phoenix,AZ.) they always do a rebroadcast of the previous nights show at 4:30am the following morning. Possibly check your local listings for Geraldo slot on your local fox affiliate or look for show online even.


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10 Nov 2005, 8:12 pm

Could someone give us the run-down on the report after they see it?

Being in Aus we don't get the Fox Network. I'm not even sure this incident has even made news here in Aus.



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10 Nov 2005, 8:47 pm

Heres the enticer for the show and the story.


http://www.geraldoatlarge.com/

http://www.geraldoatlarge.com/blog.php


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10 Nov 2005, 10:37 pm

You know, I hadn't even heard of William Freund until today, when I heard it through this forum here somebody linked me to yesterday.

There are kids with AS in my school who talk about killing people, I, and the teachers had always assumed that they were joking.

I wonder if the teachers will take those comments more seriously after this.

These kids all do have friends though, so that might make a difference.



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11 Nov 2005, 1:59 am

I think, if you go back and read the AP coverage (the article I'm thinking of comes up in a search), you'll see that he had been taking a lot of what people were dishing out for years. The AP didn't follow that one up, but maybe 60 minutes or 48 hours will. And though I can't imagine taking a gun out and shooting my neighbors, I can understand where the poor guy was coming from.

From the AP....
"Freund had Asperger's syndrome, a neurological disorder characterized by poor communication and social skills. As an undergraduate at Aliso Niguel High School, he reportedly was harassed, spit on and had his head pushed into the toilet.

People laughed at him and harassed him in the school halls, Key told the Los Angeles Times for a Sunday story.

"He wouldn't get aggressive. He would never retaliate," she said. "He would just take it, day after day."

"Here's a guy who had it really hard and nobody made it any easier for him," said Tio Lavranos, 19, another former classmate."


How sad that the world has come to that.

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11 Nov 2005, 3:31 am

having read geraldo's sensationalist crap (from the blog link), all i can say is... oh great. just great. just what we didn't need, again.



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11 Nov 2005, 3:36 am

Well, not to be overally generalistic or prejudiced (which is more than I can say for Geraldo), but it's pretty typical for America to go on a xenophobic witchhunt... Just think of the American Muslims being persecuted for the acts of a few...



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11 Nov 2005, 3:40 am

good point, GA.

obviously, there are people with AS who are violent etc., etc., just as there are muslims who are extremists. but, in both cases, the majority are not. AS does not equate to violence, just as muslim does not equate with terrorism. it's pretty obvious why people might think they do equate, but i like to think i'm not such a sheep as to believe one person, or a minority, of a group is representative of the whole group.

sadly, many, many people in this world don't think for themselves, and so do believe so.



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11 Nov 2005, 4:00 am

William Freund is another fallen victim of the system; yet another person driven mad by the injustices in this arrogant and ignorant society. You can call him a crack-headed-killer or whatever you want, but the truth is he was a product of his society. Nature handed him a social blindfold, a handful or more people gave him a reason, yet others fueled his hatred and desperation, some handed him the fateful bullets, and another gave him the gun. In real life nobody was listening, nobody cared, not one person thought abusing him was worth stopping, nobody showed him a better way, no one gave him love or compassion, and none of his classmates had the courage to stand up and stop the abuse, or maybe they really didn’t even care to. It seems like they would rather talk about it on CNN or Fox news. All too often its some preppy blonde girl talking about the abuse she didn’t help to stop; the abuse that nobody tried to stop.

He even tried to reach out to other people online. I know that feeling. I know how it feels to be depressed, and doubting even the most sincere attempts at friendship from other people. Its hard to trust people when the ones in real life do rotten things to you. Hell, he was even posting stuff on Live Journal communities I bet. I suspect that he frequented the main one on there. The Internet is a very sad last resort for social interaction. Oftentimes the Internet brings out the worst in an already rotten society. I went onto depression support chat on the yahoo network where a young man was begging people to talk to him and stop ignoring his SN. You know what they kept doing? They ignored him again and again. He changed his name multiple times and was pleading with them to let him participate. Do you know what they did to him? They continued to ignore him, called him filthy names, and made fun of him. It turned into a sadistic game of torture, and from people that should have been able to relate to his pain. No…they did not! After all its just the Internet, and nobody can look past the black 12pt font and see an actual human being. Whocares? Whocares right? Right?

Aspergers will just get the quick and easy blame just like the video game and music industry did for the Columbine school shootings. Even people in this community want to mentally separate themselves from what Freund did.

The average domestic pet is treated better then most people are. There is a prison mentality in a great deal of the public schools, and the liberal teachers set back and ignore the problems going on right under their noses. I know all too well what it is like as a person who went through the Colorado and Wyoming public school systems. I was labeled the “problem”, and it was always me that was reprimanded when I would inevitably fight back. They even threatened to kick me out of school at one point in Junior High. When I reached High School people left me alone for the most part, but then I was literally ignored. Nobody cared that I was there, nobody remembers me or cares to, and nobody cares to talk to me anymore NOW, then they did back then.

I remember when the schools in my area went into panic when the Columbine shootings happened. I didn’t go to that school, but I was attending a school in a nearby suburb across town. I know why they did it, and it’s the same reason Freund did.

I too am a lost cause. Its hard to trust anyone when every single person in my life has betrayed me. I remember begging Anna to just talk to me again, but she wouldn’t. She just walked away and gave up on me. The only other person in my life I ever cared about just gave up on me. Whocares right? It doesn’t matter what I think or what I feel? The only thing I did wrong was point out the things she was doing wrong to me, and for that I got pushed away. Enough is enough.



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