Is the pecking order a good thing for society?

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Is this NT thing of always having someone who is more powerful and deferred to and another who is less powerful and given in to only when they manage to manipulate the situation a good thing for humanity?

Why is it that everyone defends it so adamantly? Why are Aspies so punished for being oblivious to it often, and treating people on an equal level no matter what the power differences are?

Does the pecking order serve a goal in society that is more important than the rssentments, frustration, alienation, manipulation, etc. it causes?

I do think that there will always be a hierarchy, just because many people aspire to power and are competitive, while others are not so bent on leadership and status. However, it's the NASTINESS that I find completely unwarranted, and even antithetical (is that the right word?) to the idea of what authority should be. Why would one want to lead if one had nothing but contempt and spite towards one's followers? Power over others for power's own sake is useless - there should be something one actually wants to DO with it for (at very least what they believe to be) the better.

The other thing I think to be useless is the belief that because someone is in a position of authority or higher up in society, they are necessarily right, which is what many leaders and followers alike will try to tell you. It should - no, it has to be - the other way around, that someone must be right, and do right, or at least attempt it, in order to maintain their power, and the best way to prove it is to allow discussions and suggestions, and yes, criticism. I have no respect for authorities that have no merit and questionable intentions, who have only their positions and the arbitrary qualities that got them to that point by which to prove themselves, and I will not stop from questioning and opposing them, even, if I don't think they're right. If authority is bad authority, then anything less than that is doing a disservice to myself and others, not getting the best we can expect from someone who claims to know and do better than ourselves. A bad hierarchy that refuses to reform itself does not deserve to exist.

....Probably got a bit off topic there, pushing this more into the realm of the PPR forum, but I still think it's rather relevant.

There SHOULD be a pecking order, but it should be based on MERIT. These days, it seems to be based on sychophants and liars.

I've never followed any pecking order. Sounds more like an NT thing to me.

With any social animal, any herd-animal like the human being, pecking orders and hierarchies are to be expected. Face it-- the human being loves order and hierarchy and status. I myself think nothing of it. In fact, I aspire to integrate more fully into society.

It's characteristic of group living animals. Where do you think they got the term pecking order? Punishing those who don't fit in generally goes along with it.

Females breeding with the most dominant males could probably be described as the purpose. It exists as a self perpetuating system involving both genders.

It ain't going away because I don't like it. Might as well object to the weather.

pecking orders absolutely serve a valid purspose and function which can be quantified.
If one observes animal models you will find a hierachial system in most herd or social groupings of animal, these structures are essential for the survival of a group as a whole.
in humans you will find a lot of stability usually at the very top or the very bottom of a pecking order.
the top ones stay there and so do the bottom ones, but it is the middle ranked in the pecking order that are most problematic for AS.
these individuals are the would -be-if -could be category. they want to step on you to raise up the pecking order or they want to
bully and harass you to be seen by others to avoid slipping down the pecking order. it is these types that can cause enourmous difficulties for AS.
IT is a system a hierachy and an observable SYSTEM.
the word system is synonymous with As sytemising. we are very good at observing a system and working it out, and in time we can manipulate it, allthou it is very un=AS to do, we can from a purely intellectual cognitive angle and this, is our advantage.

If you are unable to navigate the system and particpate in it, what good is your vast cognitive superiority? I ask you.

I recall reading about research that was supposed to demonstrate that being in a stable 'pecking order' is less stressful for complex social animals (than being in a uncertain social environment), even for animals in subordinate positions. I'm sorry I'm not better able to recall precise details.

your going to quick, first learn to recognise the system. AS are good at systemising almost anything, then you are in a good position to navigate and participate. And if the system doent work AS are very good at building their own.

Assuming the system does work ...

AS are very good at discovering a malfunctioning system and working out our own system, for some it requires great concentration and effort for others it is as easy as breathing.
work ou the system and start systemising. it is an AS advantage, in my opinion.

The system isn't broke just because you can't navigate it. That's logical fallacy.

shure, no more arguments from me.

A system of ranked power is only good for those at the top of the ladder. People like aspies tend to be on the lower rungs or ostracized completely. Since we are a part of society, this system is not good for us, thus this system is not good for "society".

I don't believe in systems of power. I think it's entirely wrong to place some people above others. All people are equal and there should be no hierarchy.

Sadly, there is.