ASD co-morbid disorders, associated conditions & YOURS!!

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25 Aug 2008, 7:07 am

OH! OH! MY TURN! MY TURN!

Umm...ADHD, OCD, ADD medication gives me Tourette's symptoms, I used to think I have SAD, that's all.


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25 Aug 2008, 7:53 am

i have also "ODD" (oppositional defiance disorder).

most cases of ODD resolve in adolescence, but i did not complete adolescence (my emotional age is 14) and so my ODD remains with me.

ODD is intricately reinforced by AS.

i can see little reason that someone has authority over me (unless they are a boss who pays me).

i am not narcissistic in that i do not feel i have god given rights to everything.

but if any ape suggests he is able to alter my daily plan with his primate assumptions, then i do go into a kind of battle mode.

the police and me together, are not in good company.

neither is a magistrate who thinks that he can see, the reasons for my actions as i float apon a sea of somethings that i know are real, but are mostly... just uncertainties.

.....i was listening to a musical track and got distracted sorry.

but i can not tolerate someone telling me what to do when i do not want to be like them.


i like to annoy them and make them lose their temper.
it is fun.
it is easy for me to do naturlly even without trying.

like they may angrily remark to me on the poor performance of some sub consultants work.

i develop a silly smile on my face when other peoples faces look worriedly frantic.

i can not suppress the smile, and it apparrently comes from ODD.

the following stuff only happens with people who are self appointed gurus and who take a bullish charge of the office.
they are nt's who are self glorious who i am mainly ODD about.


if i see a flaw in their temper, i can not help but exploit it.
i like to tempt those people to lose self control.

it is like flooring a cheap old car in neutral to see how it's engine sputters at valve bouncing extremes.

some of those people think they are bastions of solidness and sound wit, but their clay walls can be undermined by persistent testing.

all allegedly "solid upstanding" power jocks have a crumbling point.

it is interesting to find it and also there is an urge to find it.



also i have prosopagnosia.
i can not recognize people i should know easily.

i do recognize people i have seen hundreds of times easily, but new people look largely amorphous to me.

i know if they are black or white.
i know if they are short or tall.
but i do not really know how to tell between their faces who is who.

i never look at faces for long so i guess that may be instrumental.

i have no idea what makes a face ugly or pretty either.
i know unhealthy faces are not pretty, but all healthy faces look ok to me.

autism is the core of me however, and the other things are just my outer layers.



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25 Aug 2008, 11:13 am

I also have ADHD, anxiety and some specific phobias. And who knows what else! But that is more than enough thanks.


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25 Aug 2008, 4:12 pm

Mine are social anxiety and depression.



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25 Aug 2008, 4:35 pm

asplanet wrote:
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There's also obsessive stuff, such as dermatotillomania and trichotillomania (skin picking and hair pulling).
Is that what it's called where I'm always trying to pop my zits as soon as I see/feel them? (frequently they aren't ready)


Guess it could be, not thought about this one, but looks like another one onto my long list... I can spend hours doing what you mention, as you said at times only have to feel a spot and will pick and pick for no reason, but often can not seem to stop and often have scares for weeks... getting better now aware of things, but your really not alone on this one...


I know what you mean. My chest is all scared up from this. I fight to keep my hands away from my face, until I check them in the mirror to see them first. I always fight to stop myself from picking when I'm around others, so they don't know how bad my chest actually is.



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25 Aug 2008, 6:10 pm

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(Currently undergoing personality reboot)


Love your quote, "undergoing personality reboot" should be on the list, as with discovery comes change!


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25 Aug 2008, 6:18 pm

b9 wrote:
but if any ape suggests he is able to alter my daily plan with his primate assumptions, then i do go into a kind of battle mode.


I tend to do the same, but maybe this is just our subconscious protecting us and our aspie differences, how else would we survive in a many NT world.


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autism is the core of me however, and the other things are just my outer layers.


Totally agree, and sadly the core of who we are is often the part others do not seem to get or understand!


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25 Aug 2008, 6:24 pm

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I know what you mean. My chest is all scared up from this. I fight to keep my hands away from my face, until I check them in the mirror to see them first. I always fight to stop myself from picking when I'm around others, so they don't know how bad my chest actually is.


Sorry you having such a hard time of things, I have found as get older can control more or maybe its just since being diagnosed myself last year, as I begin to understand and accept myself, I find there is less of a need to as I see my uncontrollable picking as "stimming" which is my auto stress release..


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25 Aug 2008, 6:30 pm

Think you got most of it!

Perhaps Graphomania (from Greek γραφε — writing, [1] and μανία — insanity), also known as scribomania, refers to an obsessive impulse to write[2]. When used in a specifically psychiatric context, it labels a morbid mental condition characterized by the writing of long successions of unconnected meaningless words.

Can't say I'd label myself in the latter context, though I do write excessively to quell anxiety and occupy insomnia. I am an incessant list maker, due to lax organisation or executive function.

Could add celiac though the susceptability isn't proven, I haven't spoken to another celiac autistic on here and I suppose it just comes under gastro-intestinal discrepancies.



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25 Aug 2008, 8:14 pm

Jenk wrote:
Graphomania (from Greek γραφε ....... writing of long successions of unconnected meaningless words.

Could add celiac though the susceptability isn't proven, I haven't spoken to another celiac autistic on here and I suppose it just comes under gastro-intestinal discrepancies.



Garphomanis interesting one, one of the better obsessive tendencies writing I feel, I'm like you on this one in the fact I do write excessively, well in my case type... being dyslexic my writing to others tends to be or seem like unconnected meaningless words!

Celiac I know very few people diagnosed with this, but the ones that are I can recognize autistic symptoms in them, who knows a little like Autism many still not diagnosed, as without real statistical information no one can tell!


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26 Aug 2008, 7:04 am

asplanet wrote:

Hi, first I am not a professional.. so just put together a list of a combination of factors...
I have read many articles that say eating disorders are often related to autism... but then I am not an expert!


Really? If there are many articles about it then it's probably correct. I'd just never heard that one before.

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But I do know Years ago people with Autism were often diagnosed with other mental disorders such as Schizophrenia... and other mental disorders and feel personnally bipolar the middle ground between these two, I myself have been told have bipolar .


I know people have been and still are misdiagnosed as schizophrenic but that's a misdiagnosis not a comorbid condition.

I suppose I don't understand bipolar so maybe I'll stop commenting on that!

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As I see it Autism is at the centre of a large web surrounded by many associated conditions, just some people may have OCD, Social phobia, Anxiety, Bipolar, ADHD, ADD, Dyslexia, Dyscalculia, Dyspraxia, Tourettes Syndrome, speech disorders... I am just trying to untangle the mass a little, because at present it really seems to be like breaking open a piñata and depending on which direct you go, is what you get diagnosed with and what help you receive.

I suppose what I'm wondering is where something stops being part of Asperger's and starts being a different disorder in it's own right. People with AS often get very angry and frightened, but when does this become a mood disorder and not part of the AS?

Thank you for replying with information, particularly as I didn't really write what I was trying to say the first time round.

Where you're written 'verbal tics such as echolalia and palilalia' - are echolalia and palilalia (another fun word!) always tics? I know they can be, but when I was little I used to repeat things I'd heard, and I don't think this was a tic - I think I just did it because I felt like it.

Also, I thought 'cognitive disability' was any mental disability - including autism itself.

Thank you for explaining what 'executive disfunction' is also, as I've never managed to understand that.



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28 Aug 2008, 7:10 am

It 'starts being a mood disorder' following a shift in the individuals behaviour, from somewhat controlled bursts of anger or frustration, to manic shopping or food binges, substance abuse, stints in bed so miserable they can't seem to overcome it i'd say, roughly speaking. Though a mood disorder is recently linked to oxidation damage of the michtochondria cells, and I suppose AS related depression and anxiety could cause sed damage over a period of time, diet isessential to remediation, you can get mood consistency from fresh fish, decent dietary choices, supplements ec.
I'd say that when my ADD brother started throwing chairs, believing he's in the truman show, drawing aliens on the bathroom mirror and being cruel to my beautiful lab Clio, this was a shift to mood disorder, as he was hitherto sweet natured and almost feminine in his manner. Antagonistic rage bursts are a characteristic of mood disorder, which i do not share. I stay calm and logical and frightened during confrontation, or if really trying to stand up to the other person, mimic their behaviour right back. There is no burning desire or 'mission' to take out a feeling of disphoria, with malicious intent toward the other person, and when its affecting another individual this is usually when a diagnosis occurs.
After all, when I was smiling and pretending everything was totally fine, I am fine, my tics and habits, pedantry ec, well that was just Jenk, her little quirks. Its only when I shut down, came home and stayed there that my parents truly acknowledged something was up and must have a label in order to chastise. Sadly the reality is many people with mood disorders are in control of themselves, though as soon as they admit to a private cycle, bouts of mania or depression, phychlogists , family and other aquaintances can brand them dangerous, or try to attribute any joy, misery or indeed minor slights of character to "their bi polar, must be the bi polar." This must be very frustrating when coupled with AS, when you need to buy provisions to fuel an obsession that you would quite happily work on for lengths of time, if others weren't attributing it to a manic period to be quelled or being bullied and provoked at school/home, meltdown, and experience a depressive stint that's tagged as a rage attack or 'stropping.' You just have to hope those close to you "get it," I suppose.

"Words are the problem" ... "The trouble some people have been German, I have being human." Margaret Atwood.



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28 Aug 2008, 2:54 pm

I've been diagnosed with depression and OCD.



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28 Aug 2008, 4:47 pm

Depression, ADD, & OCD for me. The depression and OCD parts have mainly gone away and the ADD is manageable mostly now.



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28 Aug 2008, 6:04 pm

OCD is the bain of my existence, so exhausting at times, bar trusting people, that doesn't tend to work out, but hay, you only get one shot, paddling is key :wink: