Fed up with stupid doctors.
richardbenson
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really slow like this: howwwww areeeeee youuuuuuuuu doing mary? i dunno why he was doing that, but i kindof laughed because it was just so funny.
i think alot of doctors dont know what there doing, you need to go to a doctor that cares, and specializes in aspergers
otherwise you get lemons, when what you really want is oranges
I have always been more partial to apples.
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Want to know how I found out I had brain cancer?
I went to a psychiatrist, telling him I had hallucinations and that nothing felt real. He put me on Paxil until I forced him into doing actual tests.
So yeah. Call me a skeptic. The shrinks I've met since haven't been much better. You tell them a symptom, they throw you a pill instead of trying to find out what's actually wrong.
I have no idea how many years that as*hole took off of my life.
EDIT: And as for respecting your doctors because they're the ones who went to med school?
Don't underestimate the autodidact. I can usually tell a doctor if a drug will interact with one of the many I'm taking before they can. They get lazy.
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Another thing that frusterates me is when you tell them that you are experiencing certain side effects or drug interactions, and they tell you that it's not possible becasue it wasn't listed in the med info. I told them, For ME, I can't take Prozac and Claritin. Claritin cancels out my Prozac. I know becasue I experienced slipping into a deep depression that was very noticable after one week of being on it, and then after two weeks, I wanted to die, so the only thing I figured is to stop taking the only different thing I changed within the last few weeks, and sure enough, I slowly pulled out of depression and was back to myself within two weeks. If a doctor, allergist wants to order this, and I tell them that I can't with Prozac, they still don't believe me. grrrrrrrr!! !!
Generally speaking, base-level doctors are no better than pill throwers. They invariably have to hand you up to a specialist before you see anyone who actually understands conditions. Its a fact of life that the spectrum of issues covered by "medicine" is vast, but the spectrum of symptoms is not comparably vast. Most of us will see a doctor for a few minutes at best. An astute doctor will recognise some symptoms, and take an educated guess at a solution. When considering a complex mental issue like AS, 5 minutes is never going to be enough time to completely analyse a patient.
Many doctors also perform base sins like failing to correctly listen to the patient describing symptoms.
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This is why I love the internet. For a few years, I took lamictal for my epilepsy. Now, even though it doesn't (or at least it didn't at the time) have tics/chorea/tourettism listed as a side effect, I twitched uncontrollably while taking it but since I was on so many medications, I didn't know what was doing it.
Neither did my neurologist.
So I checked the internet and found some anecdotal reports of lamictal doing that. It took awhile before I got her to agree to let me stop taking it.
And the tics went away... for the most part. According to some studies, the chorea could be permanent since we waited so long. Ah. Neat.
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This is why I love the internet. For a few years, I took lamictal for my epilepsy. Now, even though it doesn't (or at least it didn't at the time) have tics/chorea/tourettism listed as a side effect, I twitched uncontrollably while taking it but since I was on so many medications, I didn't know what was doing it.
Neither did my neurologist.
So I checked the internet and found some anecdotal reports of lamictal doing that. It took awhile before I got her to agree to let me stop taking it.
And the tics went away... for the most part. According to some studies, the chorea could be permanent since we waited so long. Ah. Neat.
My son was on two different antiseisure meds, and one made his mild tourettes tics absolutely horrible. He couldn't even play or dress himself with out making some noise with his mouth and hitting himself, or tapping his hand on something,or stomping his foot. It was continious while he was on this med. We took him off the med over last years easter vacation. I sent him back to school, and he did very well(at least alot better than he was on the med) and after abouttwo weeks, they said he was doing great. That is when we told them that he hadn't been taking the medication since easter. Immediately his behavior worsened, and the obvious reason is the way they treated him, and their attitude. They even had the nerve to call CPS on us and claim Phyical neglect because we took him off of this med.
Sometimes you learn they actually have more issues than you do.
Yes, some good ones DO exist, but sometimes you have to shop around for them...if they're strictly going by someone else's diagnosis, don't bother to do their own evalutation, & have no interest in anything you're saying...run, don't walk and find someone else who will.
When someone goes to school to be an auto mechanic...he may be an "auto mechanic" on paper...that doesn't necessarily mean he's a good one in person. If he doesn't keep up with new trends, if he isn't willing to research new ideas, or isn't willing to listen to his customers...he won't be able to live up to his potential of expertise in his choosen field.
The same holds true for any profession. A law degree does not a lawyer make.
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Oh, I had a problem I only PARTIALLY diagnosed as a problem with my circulatory system. Someone ELSE had to look deeper, etc... You are talking symantics. I am simply asking the doctor to get, and or save, more for the glass!
YOU ARE NOT A DOCTOR
I had a stupid doctor who was actually a psychiatrist. When I told her I was hallucinating she responded, "you are opening your mind to other dimensions" and she claimed to see aliens and actually talked to them. I believe my psychiatrist had schizophrenia or another psychotic disorder. As for diagnosing, she claimed that I was showing symptoms of mania when I was actually depressed and diagnosed me with bipolar 1 disorder. Back then it wasn't true because I didn't have a manic episode (actually hypomanic) until last year (late 2007) and she diagnosed me in 2006. Back then it was really depression with psychotic features and now I have schizoaffective disorder. Of course I changed doctors after she told me all these weird things (her delusions and hallucinations). Maybe she is psychic in predicting or just really weird. She pulled out her DSM IV and diagnosed me in 2 seconds. Not realistic in the first place. My current doctor only cares about me drinking pop more than what is happening. I remember when I was suicidal and cutting on myself, he only cared about caffeine and nothing else. I had to tell him that I needed to go to the hospital. This was around my birthday this year (Feb. 19th). So, finally on my birthday is when a bed opened up and I had to go in. The doctor there was no better. He was acting nice and told me that I had a psychotic disorder. But when I got the actual report, it basically accused me of faking my symptoms and copying it off the Internet. The actual quote was, "the patient (me) is highly suggestible and has a vivid imagination and reads on the Internet about mental disorders." In other words, that means the Internet is responsible for me getting schizoaffective disorder and all the others as well (probably including the autism even though I showed symptoms at 1 year old and the internet didn't exist back then- I was born in 1983). So, I am also tired of stupid doctors. The doctors didn't think my experience was a real disorder but rather getting it off the internet and saying, "OK, lets have schizophrenia today so I gotta look up the symptoms and copy it or lets check up being suicidal and copy that." I could read the stupid doctor's mind. THEY ARE DUMB. All those years in medical school is wasted. They don't know what they're talking about, in fact I know more than the stupid ignorant doctors!
Want to know how I found out I had brain cancer?
I went to a psychiatrist, telling him I had hallucinations and that nothing felt real. He put me on Paxil until I forced him into doing actual tests.
So yeah. Call me a skeptic. The shrinks I've met since haven't been much better. You tell them a symptom, they throw you a pill instead of trying to find out what's actually wrong.
I have no idea how many years that as*hole took off of my life.
EDIT: And as for respecting your doctors because they're the ones who went to med school?
Don't underestimate the autodidact. I can usually tell a doctor if a drug will interact with one of the many I'm taking before they can. They get lazy.
I view the progressive doctor-patient relationship as a partnership, and deference to a person as archaic. I'll defer to advice only if I'm convinced of the advisor's superior understanding of the subject and of their candour. It was deference that allowed Howard Shipman to ply his sick trade for all those years. These people are as fallible as you or I, but you'd be lucky to find one who owned up to a mistake.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/1525409.stm
Another doctor?
"Some physicians call this diagnosis shopping, but I think that is rather wrongheaded. Diagnosis shopping is the continued visiting of physician after physician in hopes of getting a certain diagnosis. I don’t know anyone without hypochondria that would do that.
Here is the thing, if my doctor can’t help me and I know something is wrong, why wouldn’t I continue going to new people in search of answers? I would do that for gardening, cooking, books to read, etc. Why on earth should medicine be any different? Yes, doctors are the “experts” in medicine. But, in reality, they are really the monopoly holders on medical information. Their training is in interpreting symptoms for the purpose of diagnostics and treatment. If the treatment is not working, it is time to move on."
http://www.otherinfo.com/?p=6
Some doctors are no doubt good at what they do. It's a shame that doesn't get more airtime here, but if we're going to improve our world, we need to focus on the bad, so we can develop coping strategies, or preferably, eliminate the bad. All I ask of the "pessimists" here is, don't let it just end up as a game of "ain't it awful?" Challenge, complain, change doctors, write to anybody who might be able to put some pressure on them to respect us.
Challenge yourself to respect them. You won't get the respect you want by trying to bully your doctor.
All of your respect does not change the fact that some doctors ARE wrong, and will stubbornly cling to their false diagnosis no matter the cost to the patient,simply because THEY are the doctor, so onlythey could possibly know anything about medicine or disease...
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"There is a time when the operation of the machine becomes so odious, makes you so sick at heart,
that you can't take part" [Mario Savo, 1964]
I see no reason to respect a physician who is not adhering to relevant standards of conduct.
When a physician has no justifiable cause for considering themselves competent in diagnosing some condition or other, they have a duty to refrain from acting clinically in that area. A physician presuming to practice outside the limits of their competency, is not worthy of respect as a physician.
Many members have concerns about physicians who refuse to accept that ASDs are no more fitting targets for their denigrating stereotypes than other traits such as race or gender or being deaf. Physicians who insist on bringing their ignorant stereotypes about AS into their clinical practice are no more worthy of respect than a car-polisher who doubles as the mechanics booking agent, who insists your car does not go well because you are a woman driver (and hence it must be driver error because everyone knows women cannot drive), all while refusing to even look at the car itself, and while ignoring the car-owner's description of the problem.
Or like the legal secretary who refuses to make an appointment for a client (with the lawyer she works for) because he is a man and it's about a custody issue and everyone knows men are always in the wrong when it comes to children (or so the legal secretary presumes), all while refusing to hear a single detail of the actual facts involved.
Professionals use expertise to solve questions, not blind dismissal based on their subjective and lay notions about something related to, but not within their professional competency.
Challenge yourself to respect them. You won't get the respect you want by trying to bully your doctor.
What's disrespectful and bullying about challenging real negligence and complaining about it? Or looking for a better doctor? Should a patient defer to a shrink who thinks they talk to aliens? Should my father have accepted his doctor's diagnosis that he had worn discs when (after months of sleepless agony) a physiotherapist noticed it wasn't? (it was a hip replacement he needed). Should my neighbour have just continued to use rubbing oils on her broken ribs because the doctor said so? Or should these people have challenged, complained, and changed doctors?