Could I get a Disabled railcard?
Bearsac-Debra
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I live near London in zone 6 and want to apply for a Freedom Pass and Disabled railcard. My reasons given for a Freedom Pass are to do with sensory overload such as from sirens, car horns, bright sun in the eyes, bright head lights at night, failing driving test 3 times after 50+ lessons due to difficulty with steering. All these things I claim, mean I cannot drive.
Reasons also given for Disabled Railcard that could mean me sitting in first class if feeling unwell include my coffee aroma overload means I need to move to where there are less people with coffee and first class might mean I can get a table alone not right over someone’s coffee.
Having a invisible disability might make it hard to obtain these things, has anyone that knows about this in London or the UK?
What are my chances.
Debra
Not very good unless you have a medical documentation of AS. Quite frankly the fact that you're asking for this really pisses me off. You are not that disabled that you have to have the same accomadation as people with physical and real disabilities. I don't consider AS to be a real disablity. I consider a nuerological difference that society refuses to accept.
Not very good unless you have a medical documentation of AS. Quite frankly the fact that you're asking for this really pisses me off. You are not that disabled that you have to have the same accomadation as people with physical and real disabilities. I don't consider AS to be a real disablity. I consider a nuerological difference that society refuses to accept.
Well Jman, different people have different needs, so you can't really know if she needs it unless you know her.
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Not very good unless you have a medical documentation of AS. Quite frankly the fact that you're asking for this really pisses me off. You are not that disabled that you have to have the same accomadation as people with physical and real disabilities. I don't consider AS to be a real disablity. I consider a nuerological difference that society refuses to accept.
well sensory overload can be a disabling condition if it is severe enough.
Not very good unless you have a medical documentation of AS. Quite frankly the fact that you're asking for this really pisses me off. You are not that disabled that you have to have the same accomadation as people with physical and real disabilities. I don't consider AS to be a real disablity. I consider a nuerological difference that society refuses to accept.





















I was talking with someone in a wheelchair, can't remember his disability but he had multiple limb and organ failure... he gets over 50 hours support a week, I get 8 or less if the support worker can't fit me in

and incidentally, about the 'autism isn't a disability' thing... all other 'disabilities' are exactly the same, none of them fit the 'model' of 'disability' perfectly... there are people with no legs who say they aren't disabled.... saying 'autism isn't a disability' is actually one more thing autism has in common with other conditions labelled disabilities!
Reasons also given for Disabled Railcard that could mean me sitting in first class if feeling unwell include my coffee aroma overload means I need to move to where there are less people with coffee and first class might mean I can get a table alone not right over someone’s coffee.
Having a invisible disability might make it hard to obtain these things, has anyone that knows about this in London or the UK?
What are my chances.
Debra
I think you need to be getting DLA at a certain level... even I don't quite get enough. but also I never get to go anywhere on a train so haven't looked.
I knew someone who had AS who had a free pass to go on trains anywhere in the country. but he was completely totally and utterly obsessed with trains (could recite any episode of TTTE perfectly in full detail with actions and sound effects too)... they probably figured it was cheaper to give him the pass than keep arresting him for loitering around stations and fare dodging!
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Not very good unless you have a medical documentation of AS. Quite frankly the fact that you're asking for this really pisses me off. You are not that disabled that you have to have the same accomadation as people with physical and real disabilities. I don't consider AS to be a real disablity. I consider a nuerological difference that society refuses to accept.
Thanks, I do have medical documentation for my AS and also for my Chondromalacia Patellae which I didn't mention in the tread as it is nothing to do with AS but is a knee condition. (of course I did mention this in the letter I am drafting)
I consider myself disabled under the Social Model of Disability in the main, although my AS overload impairments are not societys fault but a physical impairment. What makes those impairments a disability are physical barriers and also attitudial barriers from other people.
If I get a pass it will NOT stop someone else getting one (really it won't). If anything it will maybe give more confidence of getting one too to people in more need than me for one, that don't even try as they assume they won't get one. ie. they might think 'if she got one and my needs are greater, then I'll make an attempt to get one too rather that assume I can't'.
I think most people with impairments are confident and intelligent enough to not begrudge someone with less need to get what they want / need aswell.
I work in Disability Campaigning so know lots of disabled people. I have met a few that are paranoid, begrudging of less impaired people getting benefits they are entitled to, or in denile of their impairments enough not to get what they are entiltled to; but they are in the minority. Some though see getting the benefits as not being independent, whilst other see that the benefits give them them independence. Most of the disabled people I work with don't have the same begrudgements you have. A lot of them hate do gooders that assume they would be begruging of less impaired people getting what they want or already get.
This makes me think of the difference between Envy and Jealousy
Jealousy is where you don't want someone to have something whether you have, or even want it yourself or not
Envy is simply where someone wants something and does not begrudge someone else having it too.
Envy is healthy
Jealousy is unhealthy
EDIT: P.S.
It has occurred to me that I might come across as having as go at what you say. However, I feel each person has a right to have a different opinion and I bareyou no grudges in yours; as i'm sure you won't of my reply.
I also think that I cannot not blame society for my sensory overlaod to sirens and flashing lights, it is not societies job to stop needing ambulances, fire engines ect as they give sensory overload to people. Nor do I expect people not to drink coffee near me. I, as I said, believe in the Social Model of Disability, but this does not mean I take it too far and blame society for drinking coffee and emergency vehicles for my overload to them. If I needed and ambulance I would want them to have the siren on so I could get to hospital quicker.
My sensory overloads are an impairment to me even though I believe in the SMoD.
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The only time I experience sensory overload is when their is alot of drama going on around me. A situation that is very emotional. I actually don't know if this is sensory overload or not, but when things get like that I start stimming like crazy.
But I don't think I have an aversion to much of anything else. So I wouldn't know whats it like to experience some of the problems you do.
Sorry for getting pissed off at you. I guess I am having trouble accepting the fact that clinicians considered me "disabled" even though I am able to work and go to school. Sure I don't have many friends, but thats because I prefer my own company more than half the time.
I don't think I have as bad impairments as some of you around here, though. I am just having a very difficult time coming to terms with this condition.
I feel ashamed of myself for having this condition as it is considered a mental disablity. And to the general population this usually means you're ret*d. I find having this label at times to be very insulting and degrading, like I am less than other people. I see many of you around here not being able to get jobs or dates. Even though I've held down grunt work and part time jobs it makes me worry will I survive a corporate job? It makes me worried that I will end up like that since I am only 22 and still in college. Although right now I am on an internship and so far so good. The fact that I have a similar label to all of you, and alot of you are not being able to reach your goals makes me feel even more even more like crap for having this. It almost makes me feel like my life is set in stone: no job, no girlfriend, few friends, sucky life even though I received early intervention, who knows what the future brings?
The reason I got so mad at you for wanting this is because the fact that you need all these accomadations and support somehow reflects on me because you and me share a similar diagnosis.
THeir are alot of things that bother me about having autism. One major fact is how society at large has a very negative, and disparaging view of autism. You have organizations like CAN that have been desperately formed to get rid of it because it is so "aweful"
But the things that gets to me the most are some of the support groups that are devoted to families of people with ASDs. The fact that these support groups exist make me feel like a bad person for having this condition. Makes me almost feel like an alcoholic or drug addict or something. Both autties/aspies and substance abusers can be very difficult to live with and relate to, I am not denying that. However, the difference between autism and substance abuse is We didn't choose to be autisitc However drug abusers made the unwise choice of constantly getting drunk or high. The whole concept of having support groups for families of autties/aspies basically says to me "Shame on you for being autisitc, now we need a support group to deal with you"
Now I understand that some support groups are needed such as those for parents as valuable information can be shared to help support their autisitc child and help him/her reach their full potential. However one thing I have noticed about these support groups is the fact that parents blame every issue that arises to be centered around autism/AS. Like for example I remember one time here on WP a parent posted about their child refusing to do homework. And I thought to myself what does that have to do with AS?? Their are many other factors that could be contributing to that fact. Maybe he has a learning disability, or maybe he's just simply sick of school. Who knows? But the bottom online is alot of parents are overly intrusive instead of letting the child make their own mistakes, but if something bad happens being there to support him/her. Thats actually what life is all about, a learning process.
The most aggravating types of support groups for familes to those autism/AS is the spousal support groups. Most of the posts on most of the boards are devoted to blaming their AS spouse for failure of the marriage and insulting them. One Woman on a forum reffered to aspies as "Aspoids". On the same forum their motto is "It's not you, it's HIM". What these women don;t realize is it always takes two to tango. Their has to be compromise on both ends. If their AS is unwilling to compromise such as getting help for the AS, or trying to work out the issues then maybe the relationship is not meant to be. However that does give them right to make generalizations and put down everyone with AS. Those boards make me feel even more like crap because again they make me feel ashamed of myself for having this condition. As if it were my fault.
I think someday all of us autties should gather in a big city, and do a demonstration march for our civil rights and acceptance.
Im tired of having my dignity and self esteem destroyed by this label.
NO MORE!
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Re.Freedom pass.
Bearsac-Debra,I am not sure on how much different regions are in terms of eligibility,but I have the disabled/free travel pass for Manchester/GMPTE which allows transport up to Yorkshire even.
I'm not sure what is the deal with AS exclusively when getting the pass,as I have multiple learning disabilities,but the basic eligbility is 1 learning disability so the application should be accepted.
How it happens.
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The SS/disability team will review the persons' needs/conditions/background and this might take a while for complex conditions like ASD,and also because it's a first time case.
Unless it differs throughout the country,DLA is not needed to get the pass,though it might possibly help because then the SS/disability team would have the case notes there already to speed up the process.
I think it's the GP they contact for, for the information.
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I think i got my freedom pass before i got DLA. The only requirement was to get myself registered disabled (which you may want to think over beforehand whether you want to go through with it or not) Getting registered disabled was easy once i figured out which building to enter, took about 2mins. I was signed off work however, so if your not things might be different.
Disabled Railcard? never heard of it. As in national rail?? Where do i sign up!!
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Disabled Railcard? never heard of it. As in national rail?? Where do i sign up!!

pysch,how can a person get officially registered as disabled? I was told there was no such official register for it anymore.
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I cant remember exactly what happenned, but i have a small card with 'register of disabled persons' printed on. Useful for getting ccncessions for museums and touristy stuff. It has my current address on, so i mustve updated/renewed it sometime in the last 2 years.
I think it may have required a trip to the outpatients clinic and/or the reception at the civic centre. It might be a local borough thing, in which case its possible your cities council has stopped using it, but i really dont know.
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But I don't think I have an aversion to much of anything else. So I wouldn't know whats it like to experience some of the problems you do.
Sorry for getting pissed off at you. I guess I am having trouble accepting the fact that clinicians considered me "disabled" even though I am able to work and go to school. Sure I don't have many friends, but thats because I prefer my own company more than half the time.
I don't think I have as bad impairments as some of you around here, though. I am just having a very difficult time coming to terms with this condition.
I feel ashamed of myself for having this condition as it is considered a mental disablity. And to the general population this usually means you're ret*d. I find having this label at times to be very insulting and degrading, like I am less than other people. I see many of you around here not being able to get jobs or dates. Even though I've held down grunt work and part time jobs it makes me worry will I survive a corporate job? It makes me worried that I will end up like that since I am only 22 and still in college. Although right now I am on an internship and so far so good. The fact that I have a similar label to all of you, and alot of you are not being able to reach your goals makes me feel even more even more like crap for having this. It almost makes me feel like my life is set in stone: no job, no girlfriend, few friends, sucky life even though I received early intervention, who knows what the future brings?
The reason I got so mad at you for wanting this is because the fact that you need all these accomadations and support somehow reflects on me because you and me share a similar diagnosis.
THeir are alot of things that bother me about having autism. One major fact is how society at large has a very negative, and disparaging view of autism. You have organizations like CAN that have been desperately formed to get rid of it because it is so "aweful"
But the things that gets to me the most are some of the support groups that are devoted to families of people with ASDs. The fact that these support groups exist make me feel like a bad person for having this condition. Makes me almost feel like an alcoholic or drug addict or something. Both autties/aspies and substance abusers can be very difficult to live with and relate to, I am not denying that. However, the difference between autism and substance abuse is We didn't choose to be autisitc However drug abusers made the unwise choice of constantly getting drunk or high. The whole concept of having support groups for families of autties/aspies basically says to me "Shame on you for being autisitc, now we need a support group to deal with you"
Now I understand that some support groups are needed such as those for parents as valuable information can be shared to help support their autisitc child and help him/her reach their full potential. However one thing I have noticed about these support groups is the fact that parents blame every issue that arises to be centered around autism/AS. Like for example I remember one time here on WP a parent posted about their child refusing to do homework. And I thought to myself what does that have to do with AS?? Their are many other factors that could be contributing to that fact. Maybe he has a learning disability, or maybe he's just simply sick of school. Who knows? But the bottom online is alot of parents are overly intrusive instead of letting the child make their own mistakes, but if something bad happens being there to support him/her. Thats actually what life is all about, a learning process.
The most aggravating types of support groups for familes to those autism/AS is the spousal support groups. Most of the posts on most of the boards are devoted to blaming their AS spouse for failure of the marriage and insulting them. One Woman on a forum reffered to aspies as "Aspoids". On the same forum their motto is "It's not you, it's HIM". What these women don;t realize is it always takes two to tango. Their has to be compromise on both ends. If their AS is unwilling to compromise such as getting help for the AS, or trying to work out the issues then maybe the relationship is not meant to be. However that does give them right to make generalizations and put down everyone with AS. Those boards make me feel even more like crap because again they make me feel ashamed of myself for having this condition. As if it were my fault.
I think someday all of us autties should gather in a big city, and do a demonstration march for our civil rights and acceptance.
Im tired of having my dignity and self esteem destroyed by this label.
NO MORE!
Thats fine jman, I understand.
It’s hard to sometimes accept oneself when one has what are considered ‘impairments’ or ‘disabilities’ and are so labelled by the Medical Model of Disability. The medical world, other institutions and the media paint such a negative image of impairments, AS and autism included. So it is no wonder the public think of the term “Mental Disability” as meaning someone is ‘ret*d’ (nasty word), or ‘mental’ (another nasty word).
It is about time these institutions and the media woke up and saw things from the view of the Social Model of Disability, which looks upon impairments in a more positive way and sees that it is societies fault that people with impairments are marginalized and disabled by societies attitude and other barriers in the mainstream community.
Under the SMoD AS and autism have lots of strengths. They are a different way of brain wiring rather than a dysfunctional wiring.
Of course some take the SMoD too far and will never admit that some impairments are purely impairments and these people always look to blame society and other barriers even for things that cannot be societies fault as in my explanation of my coffee overload being to do with my impairment and not society faults because they exercise their right to drink coffee. (Or my example of the emergency vehicles using sirens not being the fault of the vehicles but a fault of my impairment itself)
I met someone that insisted that my coffee issue was the fault of society for drinking coffee, so insisted it was society that were causing the problem. I think that is really silly and is taking the SMoD toooo far and gives people arguing the opposite of the SMoD a chance to point out that the person is not serious and so therefore why take what they say on other matters seriously another time.
I am lucky that due to my age (38) I have reached a stage in my life where I am confident in myself and so am not affected, or too affected by what society thinks, or what I think society thinks.
I really hope you can attain this stage of your life sooner rather than later. I think coming on WP will help you see autism more positively and help you feel less bad about it. Positive portrayals by the institutions and media will change society, but it would still take time. Meanwhile, we can all do our bit to change the view of people we come into contact with, even if we do not use words.
Jman - I find some of what you say quite right.
I sent a few letters off to local politicians about the Conservative leadership contest stating basically I didn't think it should have happened in the first place (I eventually spoilt my ballot paper as did "a significan proportion" of eligible voters). I got very depressed and needed to phone the Samaritans for moral support before I could pluck up the courage to post the letters.
Once the lady at the other end of the phone found out I had AS it was ...! !!... Curious Incident of the Dog in the Night Time and she spent the best part of an hour patronising me. That book probably needed to be written if only to make people aware AS exists. I don't know even if the person who wrote it was an aspie, but it has been detrimental to the way people see me now they know I have AS.
To be honest I want to be accepted on my merits. I was given a note by the psychiatrist in Wokingham to sign me off work due to depression and reading the note I wanted to hide it rather than hand it over to the Benefits Office. The person who wrote it knows very little about the condition and made me sound like a freak. I didn't even want my father to see it...! !! I have very ...specific... problems with politics and handing something over to an official in a government office that has "This woman is a nutcase" written all over it is the last thing I will do unless I really need the money. I can pay off any missing NI contributions in a lump sum when I am working so that's not too much of a problem.
I understand the OP's sensory problems though. I find I get claustrophobic in places with bad atmospheres - I went to Party Conference Blackpool in October and walked straight through the conference centre, out the other side, and into the Samaritans' office...I did go out later to some of the fringe events with an NT friend who spent part of the evening trying to reassure me and convince me to stay, but I couldn't face three more days with 7000 people and one conversation, particularly since I have fond memories of past conferences (the atmosphere at Bournemouth in 2004 rapidly improved, you could almost feel the change). However I am fine where there is a "neutral" atmosphere, and would only really need any discount card through financial problems (living on a rapidly dwindling cushion of savings while I try to get well enough to find a job).