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10 Dec 2008, 9:23 pm

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I do have very good handwriting, though, which is apparently uncommon to NLD people...


I have good handwriting as well, although I do hold my pen oddly (resting against my ring finger rather than my middle finger) because I feel I have more control that way- my hand cramps up really easily though. But I don't think I've ever had a problem with handwriting, even though according to my neuropsych, my poor Grooved Pegboard test results mean that I have poor visual-motor coordination.


I hold my pen oddly too, which my third grade teacher gave me SO MUCH crap for. I should send her a handwritten letter now... :wink:



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20 Dec 2008, 5:32 am

I found Mamen's book at the library. check for palombo's too if you are so inclined.
reading any of the books yet, lostinspace?


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20 Dec 2008, 11:33 am

vivinator wrote:
I found Mamen's book at the library. check for palombo's too if you are so inclined.
reading any of the books yet, lostinspace?


I actually am in the middle of moving for a job 8 hours away, so unfortunately I don't have much time to read now. I can't wait to get settled though and be able to pick up these books!


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20 Dec 2008, 12:50 pm

In trying to figure out why some things were difficult for me in school I read quite a bit about NLD. It turns out I have the opposite of NLD - it's called "Visual-Spatial Learner." I had my mom read through Visual-Spatial Learning and she said, "How did they know how to exactly describe you?"

Supposedly Visual-Spatial relies more on the right hemisphere of the brain and that Nonverbal Learning Disorder is more left-brained.

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20 Dec 2008, 12:55 pm

I know very little about NLD...but I thought I had read that people with NLD are usually right-handed.

I fit pretty much all the criteria, but I am left-handed...i have always had the impression, based upon the various difficulties that I have, that um...even though I am right-brain-dominant...there is something that is sorta dysfunctional with that hemisphere.

I can hardly see out of my left eye..which is my dominant eye...for one thing...I do have problems...more than i should...with visual/spatial stuff....this coming from a family of artists and architechts..no less.. :? ....and yet I am a visual thinker....it is hard to describe... :?

I can have trouble with reading comprehension..am a very slow reader...etc....

Is there anything to be said about left-handed people with NLD?

This seems to be the crux of how my mind is all messed up...
It is threads like this that really make me think I have some sorta brain damage...in addition to a genetic predisposition to AS spectrumy type stuff..



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20 Dec 2008, 12:59 pm

LostInSpace wrote:
vivinator wrote:
I found Mamen's book at the library. check for palombo's too if you are so inclined.
reading any of the books yet, lostinspace?


I actually am in the middle of moving for a job 8 hours away, so unfortunately I don't have much time to read now. I can't wait to get settled though and be able to pick up these books!

congrats! what job is it something to do with speech language pathology? nyc?


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20 Dec 2008, 1:01 pm

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Is there anything to be said about left-handed people with NLD?


You can definitely have NLD and be left-handed. In fact, the subject of one of the earliest NLD case studies from the 70s was left-handed.


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20 Dec 2008, 1:22 pm

But is it true that it is said that they are usually right-handed..because of having difficulties with the right hemisphere?



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20 Dec 2008, 1:34 pm

poopylungstuffing wrote:
But is it true that it is said that they are usually right-handed..because of having difficulties with the right hemisphere?


Handedness is thought to reflect the opposite hemisphere from the dominant hand you use. Because those NLD are evidently more left-brain dominant, they more frequently use their right hand.

Of course, some people are forced to write with their right hand (that happened to my dad), and others use either hand about the same. I can write forward with my right hand and backward with my left (that's called mirror writing). Handedness isn't all that clear cut.

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20 Dec 2008, 1:58 pm

My point though is that I am naturally right-brain dominant...but I also have troubles with my right brain processes...



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20 Dec 2008, 2:35 pm

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My point though is that I am naturally right-brain dominant...but I also have troubles with my right brain processes...


You might want to check out Visual-Spatial Learner - it explains a lot about right-hemisphere dominance (for instance, difficulties in reading), but also how sometimes there are also difficulties within the right hemisphere. Some visual-spatial learners actually also have problems with vision. There are some downloadable articles here: www.gifteddevelopment.com/Visual_Spatia ... ticles.htm

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21 Dec 2008, 3:18 am

poopylungstuffing wrote:
I know very little about NLD...but I thought I had read that people with NLD are usually right-handed.

I fit pretty much all the criteria, but I am left-handed...i have always had the impression, based upon the various difficulties that I have, that um...even though I am right-brain-dominant...there is something that is sorta dysfunctional with that hemisphere.

I can hardly see out of my left eye..which is my dominant eye...for one thing...I do have problems...more than i should...with visual/spatial stuff....this coming from a family of artists and architechts..no less.. :? ....and yet I am a visual thinker....it is hard to describe... :?

I can have trouble with reading comprehension..am a very slow reader...etc....

Is there anything to be said about left-handed people with NLD?

This seems to be the crux of how my mind is all messed up...
It is threads like this that really make me think I have some sorta brain damage...in addition to a genetic predisposition to AS spectrumy type stuff..


Just want to say: my father has definite NLD traits as well as AS. His special interests are history and politics and he is a brilliant writer and great with languages. And, he is left handed.

(Im right handed myself.)


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21 Dec 2008, 6:15 am

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here's info on subtypes in Palombo's book:
http://booklocker.com/pdf/3562s.pdf


More recently, new information arrived on the scene. Joseph Palombo, a Clinical
Social Worker, is Founding Dean and faculty member of the Institute for Clinical Social
Work in Chicago, and a staff member of the Rush Neurobehavioral Center in Chicago. His
2006 book, Nonverbal Learning Disabilities: A Clinical Perspective14, radically revamped
the definition of NLD with his Theory of NLD Subtypes. According to Palombo, there exists
a core of Nonlinguistic Perceptual Deficits – a set of symptoms of NLD common to everyone
who has it.
This set of deficits, he says, constitute “NLD Subtype I.” If, in addition to meeting
the criteria for NLD Subtype I, you also have difficulties in attention, impulse control, and
executive functioning, you fall into the category of “NLD Subtype II.”
Or if, in addition to meeting the requirements for NLD Subtype I, you have
difficulties in “reciprocal social interactions” (e.g. being argumentative, disrespectful,
having few or no close friends and/or being teased and rejected by peers), “social
communication difficulties” (e.g. not knowing what and what not to say, and when and
when not to say it), and “emotional functioning difficulties” (e.g. poor self esteem, anxiety,
and poor self-regulation); to the exclusion of having problems with attention, impulse
control, and executive functioning; then you have “NLD Subtype III.”
If, however, you meet all the criteria, then you have “NLD Subtype IV.
” 15


Based on that, I probably have Subtype III; I have social problems, but not attention and impulse control problems (my executive functioning isn't great, but I think it's probably only a little below average).


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21 Dec 2008, 11:40 am

vivinator wrote:
congrats! what job is it something to do with speech language pathology? nyc?


Thank you! Yeah, it's a job as a speech language pathologist in a rehab hospital working with adults with strokes, degenerative diseases, brain injury, etc. I actually live near NYC now, so the job is in Pennsylvania.


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21 Dec 2008, 11:44 am

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Based on that, I probably have Subtype III; I have social problems, but not attention and impulse control problems (my executive functioning isn't great, but I think it's probably only a little below average).


I think I have subtype II. My social skills are not great, but I just don't think they are as impaired as the case studies I have read in the literature. My brother, whose opinion I trust on this, told me my social skills are "okay, but not great." I think that is a good description- my only really problematic social skill is eye contact. I think my secondary anxiety problems have interfered with social relationships much more than any deficits in social skills. On the other hand, my executive functioning problems are so bad that psychologists always think I have ADD.


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