Page 1 of 2 [ 29 posts ]  Go to page 1, 2  Next

P-Lane
Tufted Titmouse
Tufted Titmouse

User avatar

Joined: 4 Jan 2009
Gender: Male
Posts: 35

24 Jan 2009, 1:51 pm

What's the deal with this organization? Why does nearly everyone seem to hate it? I really don't know so fill me in the best you can. Thanks.



Saerain
Blue Jay
Blue Jay

User avatar

Joined: 21 Jun 2007
Age: 38
Gender: Male
Posts: 80
Location: Rhode Island, USA

24 Jan 2009, 1:59 pm

Because some of us don't consider ourselves diseased, I gather.

Autism Speaks contends that autism has a physical cause. Of course it has physical cause. That should be obvious to anyone who doesn't believe in magic. However, Autism Speaks deduces that therefore it is a detrimental difference that should be removed/corrected for our own benefit as well as society's.

Maybe some semblance of society, but not one I'd root for, that's for sure.


_________________
'I don't know if that's an Asperger's thing or not, I think it's just being reasonable.' - Bram Cohen


P-Lane
Tufted Titmouse
Tufted Titmouse

User avatar

Joined: 4 Jan 2009
Gender: Male
Posts: 35

24 Jan 2009, 2:07 pm

I know I'm not diseased. Just...disabled. I think of a disease as if you are physically ill but a disability if your...not there mentally. Sometimes, I even wonder strongly if it's a made up disability so the medical community can line their pockets. If so, and if hell exists, there will be a special place for the people behind making that up.



P-Lane
Tufted Titmouse
Tufted Titmouse

User avatar

Joined: 4 Jan 2009
Gender: Male
Posts: 35

24 Jan 2009, 2:09 pm

Saerain wrote:
Because some of us don't consider ourselves diseased, I gather.

Autism Speaks contends that autism has a physical cause. Of course it has physical cause. That should be obvious to anyone who doesn't believe in magic. However, Autism Speaks deduces that therefore it is a detrimental difference that should be removed/corrected for our own benefit as well as society's.

Maybe some semblance of society, but not one I'd root for, that's for sure.


So, basically, they want to change us. Right?



philosopherBoi
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 6 Aug 2008
Age: 36
Gender: Male
Posts: 1,255

24 Jan 2009, 2:21 pm

P-Lane wrote:
Saerain wrote:
Because some of us don't consider ourselves diseased, I gather.

Autism Speaks contends that autism has a physical cause. Of course it has physical cause. That should be obvious to anyone who doesn't believe in magic. However, Autism Speaks deduces that therefore it is a detrimental difference that should be removed/corrected for our own benefit as well as society's.

Maybe some semblance of society, but not one I'd root for, that's for sure.


So, basically, they want to change us. Right?


Yes they want to change us but their is more to it than that they want to eradicate autism here is what Suzanne Wright a co-founder and current board member had to say about autism
"We’re now playing catch-up as we try to stem the tide and ultimately eradicate autism for the sake of future generations. If we continue our current trajectory, we’ll get there in my lifetime."

If someone said the exact same thing exept instead of autism they used the word Jew, people would be very pissed.

Also Autism Speaks has a history of bullying autistic people who stand up to them, even threatening legal action for perfect legal actions such as make parody sites and anti-Autism Speaks T-Shirts.



buryuntime
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 6 Dec 2008
Age: 87
Gender: Female
Posts: 3,662

24 Jan 2009, 2:24 pm

P-Lane wrote:
Saerain wrote:
Because some of us don't consider ourselves diseased, I gather.

Autism Speaks contends that autism has a physical cause. Of course it has physical cause. That should be obvious to anyone who doesn't believe in magic. However, Autism Speaks deduces that therefore it is a detrimental difference that should be removed/corrected for our own benefit as well as society's.

Maybe some semblance of society, but not one I'd root for, that's for sure.


So, basically, they want to change us. Right?

Or get rid of us.



Saerain
Blue Jay
Blue Jay

User avatar

Joined: 21 Jun 2007
Age: 38
Gender: Male
Posts: 80
Location: Rhode Island, USA

24 Jan 2009, 2:40 pm

A mental disability is physical. Neurons aren't imaginary, and you need neurons to imagine. Imagine that.

I get that autism is truly a disability for many. For others, it seems more like a transability, if I may coin the term:

trans⋅a⋅bil⋅i⋅ty
-noun
lack or sacrifice of a common ability or aptitude in exchange for, or in favor of, uncommon ability or aptitude

I'm all for a method for making an autist/aspie neurotypical if they so wish, but preventing autism from happening at all is to me no different from eliminating any other possibly beneficial trait, from the Rh-ve blood group to OCD to albinism. At least until someone convinces me that I'd be just as intellectual without AS, or that something equally or more enabling without detrimental side-effects could be administered to take its place.

Since we don't have smart pills, cerebral communocyte injections, or other +1 Int items available, I'm inclined to stick with AS.


_________________
'I don't know if that's an Asperger's thing or not, I think it's just being reasonable.' - Bram Cohen


NocturnalQuilter
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 7 Oct 2008
Age: 56
Gender: Male
Posts: 937

24 Jan 2009, 2:51 pm

Please, please PLEASE do not rely on this forum as your sole source of information about Autism Speaks. This forum is so heavily biased against the organization (and against "NTs" in general) that literally no impartiality can be found here.
I, for one, am a supporter of Autism Speaks and feel they have a lot to offer in the way of information, resources and support.



KingdomOfRats
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 31 Oct 2005
Age: 41
Gender: Female
Posts: 4,833
Location: f'ton,manchester UK

24 Jan 2009, 3:11 pm

NocturnalQuilter wrote:
Please, please PLEASE do not rely on this forum as your sole source of information about Autism Speaks. This forum is so heavily biased against the organization (and against "NTs" in general) that literally no impartiality can be found here.

agrees.


_________________
>severely autistic.
>>the residential autist; http://theresidentialautist.blogspot.co.uk
blogging from the view of an ex institutionalised autism/ID activist now in community care.
>>>help to keep bullying off our community,report it!


TheMidnightJudge
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 28 Mar 2007
Age: 35
Gender: Male
Posts: 1,669
Location: New England

24 Jan 2009, 3:43 pm

I don't hate it like others here. But I do think Autism Speaks is terribly misguided.
It's too negative, and negativity is destructive. Furthermore, they seem determined not to acknowledge good things that come from autism. Also they never show you functioning adults or mild cases. They just show children having meltdowns.
What scares me most is the idea of prenatal scans.
Their desire to bring about prenatal scans could turn to genocide via selective abortion. That already happened to Down's Syndrome.


_________________
Sleepless gliding


NocturnalQuilter
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 7 Oct 2008
Age: 56
Gender: Male
Posts: 937

24 Jan 2009, 4:03 pm

TheMidnightJudge wrote:
Furthermore, they seem determined not to acknowledge good things that come from autism.


Those being...?



sinsboldly
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 21 Nov 2006
Gender: Female
Posts: 13,488
Location: Bandon-by-the-Sea, Oregon

24 Jan 2009, 5:20 pm

KingdomOfRats wrote:
NocturnalQuilter wrote:
Please, please PLEASE do not rely on this forum as your sole source of information about Autism Speaks. This forum is so heavily biased against the organization (and against "NTs" in general) that literally no impartiality can be found here.

agrees.


and this is the disagreement that proves the rule. If we were so heavily biased against the organization, how is it you can write anything you wish to about it?

you say no impartiality can be found here, and you are proving it by saying WP is impartial, which makes your comments impartial, as well.

what you probably mean is there is no neutrality here. Which is also incorrect. It is just difficult to find the neutrality and the inpartiality because the majority against Autism Speaks are so vocal (or plentiful in their writing)

Merle


_________________
Alis volat propriis
State Motto of Oregon


NocturnalQuilter
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 7 Oct 2008
Age: 56
Gender: Male
Posts: 937

24 Jan 2009, 5:31 pm

sinsboldly wrote:
and this is the disagreement that proves the rule. If we were so heavily biased against the organization, how is it you can write anything you wish to about it?


I can- as long as it goes along with the status quo of this forum: Autism Speaks is bad.

sinsboldly wrote:
you say no impartiality can be found here, and you are proving it by saying WP is impartial, which makes your comments impartial, as well.


Did I say WP is impartial? My bad. I meant very much the opposite.

sinsboldly wrote:
what you probably mean is there is no neutrality here. Which is also incorrect. It is just difficult to find the neutrality and the inpartiality because the majority against Autism Speaks are so vocal (or plentiful in their writing)
Merle


I guess you're better at deciphering what I mean than I am. :roll:



Woodpecker
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 18 Oct 2008
Age: 52
Gender: Male
Posts: 2,625
Location: Europe

24 Jan 2009, 5:32 pm

I have just finished reading a book by Tony Attwood, while I would not call him St Tony he has been able to write a good book which has opened my eyes to some aspects of who I am. These aspects had been hiding in plain sight, I noticed that when Tony discussed the topic of "crime and aspies" that he commented on how Hans Asperger upset the Nazis by making public statements opposing the elimination of future generations of aspies, he also said that aspie's minds are likely to be of great use to the Germany. This was becuase he thought that a loss of aspies would hinder the german code breaking effort.

So Dr Hans Aspergers viewed us aspies as something useful which should be tolerated and kept. I would like to know how many things which society takes for granted were invented by auties and aspies, would anyone like to post a list ?


_________________
Health is a state of physical, mental and social wellbeing and not merely the absence of disease or infirmity :alien: I am not a jigsaw, I am a free man !

Diagnosed under the DSM5 rules with autism spectrum disorder, under DSM4 psychologist said would have been AS (299.80) but I suspect that I am somewhere between 299.80 and 299.00 (Autism) under DSM4.


philosopherBoi
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 6 Aug 2008
Age: 36
Gender: Male
Posts: 1,255

24 Jan 2009, 5:48 pm

NocturnalQuilter wrote:
Please, please PLEASE do not rely on this forum as your sole source of information about Autism Speaks. This forum is so heavily biased against the organization (and against "NTs" in general) that literally no impartiality can be found here.
I, for one, am a supporter of Autism Speaks and feel they have a lot to offer in the way of information, resources and support.



They are pushing for the eradication of our people that is genocide hun and given the chance they would do it. I don't get it how can you support those who mistreat us, misrepresent us and seek our annihilation?



P.S. People don't the video Autism Every Day that video is sick, and disgusting.



sinsboldly
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 21 Nov 2006
Gender: Female
Posts: 13,488
Location: Bandon-by-the-Sea, Oregon

24 Jan 2009, 5:52 pm

NocturnalQuilter wrote:
sinsboldly wrote:
and this is the disagreement that proves the rule. If we were so heavily biased against the organization, how is it you can write anything you wish to about it?


I can- as long as it goes along with the status quo of this forum: Autism Speaks is bad.

sinsboldly wrote:
you say no impartiality can be found here, and you are proving it by saying WP is impartial, which makes your comments impartial, as well.


Did I say WP is impartial? My bad. I meant very much the opposite.

sinsboldly wrote:
what you probably mean is there is no neutrality here. Which is also incorrect. It is just difficult to find the neutrality and the inpartiality because the majority against Autism Speaks are so vocal (or plentiful in their writing)
Merle


I guess you're better at deciphering what I mean than I am. :roll:


well, I hope I can help you figure out what you really mean.

If you are saying that WP has a specific mind set, I call bull, because we are only who posts here. If you are saying that a lot of folks post here that don't post on Autism Speaks website ( and I don't even know if they have one) I really wouldn't know. If you are saying the owner of the site has a specific attitude about Autism Speaks, then you would be correct.
But WP allows anyone to say anything they want to about Autism Speaks. Even you.

Merle


_________________
Alis volat propriis
State Motto of Oregon