Differences between AS and semantic-pragmatic disorder?

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06 Feb 2009, 9:15 pm

what?

i've been looking it up.


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06 Feb 2009, 9:18 pm

Semantic-Pragmatic Disorder is the verbal communication difficulties of Autism, but with less severe social impairments and repetitive behaviours.

Kinda like how NLD is to AS.



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06 Feb 2009, 9:19 pm

I learned about pragmatic semantic disorder while studying child psychology and special needs 10 years ago, and then never heard of it ever again!! From what I understand, pragmatic semantic disorder is more of an obsessive type of autism - they need to have things in order, they have obsessive rituals such as lining things up, counting things etc...basically Obsessive Compulsive Disorder. I actually wondered if they just changed pragmatic semantic disorder to OCD and removed it from the "autism spectrum" since it's so common. Or possibly PSD now falls under the PDD-NOS diagnosis now.



06 Feb 2009, 9:31 pm

I think it's a made up name and it's basically autism. I'm not saying the problems aren't real I just think the label is ridiculous. It's like taking autism and giving it another name. They have done that with anorexia and named it pregnorexia when pregnant women starve themselves. Then they made up "shy eating" for when people can't eat when there are people around. I laugh when I keep seeing doctors make up conditions such as cassandra effective disorder where people aren't aware they are effected by AS if I remember correctly.



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06 Feb 2009, 9:44 pm

I fully agree Spokane Girl!! I am sick to death of "catch phrase" disorders that doctors just invent to keep the public happy. Especially in the 90's, those buzzword initial disorders like OCD, ADD, PDD-NOS, ODD, ASD...gimme a break!! ! PDD-NOS is the biggest joke of them all, it's like "autism lite." For the parent who doesn't want to hear the word autism because it has negative connotations :roll: I mean come ON, Pervasive Developmental Disorder Not Otherwise Specified????? What kind of idiot came up with THAT?? Was it a competition to invent the most vague and ridiculous disorder with the longest name and most letters in the acronym???



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06 Feb 2009, 10:01 pm

Shelby wrote:
I fully agree Spokane Girl!! I am sick to death of "catch phrase" disorders that doctors just invent to keep the public happy. Especially in the 90's, those buzzword initial disorders like OCD, ADD, PDD-NOS, ODD, ASD...gimme a break!! ! PDD-NOS is the biggest joke of them all, it's like "autism lite." For the parent who doesn't want to hear the word autism because it has negative connotations :roll: I mean come ON, Pervasive Developmental Disorder Not Otherwise Specified????? What kind of idiot came up with THAT?? Was it a competition to invent the most vague and ridiculous disorder with the longest name and most letters in the acronym???


I think pdd-nos is valid. has autistic spectrum symptoms but not in the proper combination for a dx of any particular asd. wish we could name everything. or add on a description.


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06 Feb 2009, 10:11 pm

also danielismyname posted a chart on the differences between nld, as, sem prag disorder, and hyperlexia
on the difference between NLD and spd thread

http://www.wrongplanet.net/postt90441.html


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07 Feb 2009, 4:07 am

I figured "pragmatic semantic disorder" was a description of a common part of Asperger's. It's the only part I really dislike. Being rational, in control and independent works for me, but I wish I didn't need to work so hard to explain stuff. I know what I'm thinking, I just don't know how to translate. More often than not, I give up.

Like --
I could never pass a history test because I couldn't write an essay without plagiarism.



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07 Feb 2009, 4:27 am

Shelby wrote:
I fully agree Spokane Girl!! I am sick to death of "catch phrase" disorders that doctors just invent to keep the public happy. Especially in the 90's, those buzzword initial disorders like OCD, ADD, PDD-NOS, ODD, ASD...gimme a break!! ! PDD-NOS is the biggest joke of them all, it's like "autism lite." For the parent who doesn't want to hear the word autism because it has negative connotations :roll: I mean come ON, Pervasive Developmental Disorder Not Otherwise Specified????? What kind of idiot came up with THAT?? Was it a competition to invent the most vague and ridiculous disorder with the longest name and most letters in the acronym???


LOL. The Spectrum needs to be redefined in the DSM. Hands down. I mean, when Hans first started out, he believed that girls couldn't have AS. How much accuracy has prevailed in Spectrum research since then?



07 Feb 2009, 4:00 pm

PDD-NOS only exists because it's for autistic people who don't meet the AS criteria nor the autistic criteria. But PDD-NOS is still autistic or you can say on the autism spectrum. It can be less than AS or worse than AS.



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13 Dec 2011, 11:35 pm

I was diagnosed with this as a kid...and I grew up barely understanding what it was. I was a "late-talker," this actually runs in my family on my dad's side. I learned to read and I started talking when I was 4, all in the same year. I was a really good reader when I was called on in class, but I had to read the page over and over again to understand wtf it was talking about. Into my late teens, I would feign a hearing problem so people would repeat stuff because I could hear it, but it will just not sink in. This still happens occaisionally...or maybe I just don't notice it? I was diagnosed in the UK then moved to the rural south (US, at age 6) and they put me in speech therapy...which wasn't really much help/relevant, so they took me out. There weren't a lot of specialists who could offer help, and it was really subtle. I was not a case for Asperger's or Autism. I was a little socially awkward, but most people thought it was cute or something. I fumbled with words a lot, and organizing my thoughts on paper was a pain. I did well, a bit above average on "intelligence" tests. People thought I was smart, but I actually struggled because I knew I lot of words, but really struggled in understanding them, so studying and academics are/were kind of hard. Organization is tough, but I do have a weird thing with order. I just like creating systems, but for the longest time had difficulty maintaining them (but hey, plenty of messy people in the world, not a terrible flaw.) I am a huge list-maker. If there is a huge task ahead of me, I have to think about every aspect of it repeatedly and a long time in advance, and I get anxious at times before I start them, I procrastinate. I learn best kinesthetically(sp?), I have to interact with what I'm dealing with. Another thing is texture...things that are too soft freak me the hell out...but this was worse when I was younger. I think all in all, I've learned to cope with it, and kind of use whatever is characteristic of it to add to my quirky personality. It has really taught me to focus on improving my weaknesses, and I've learned to like challenges. For example, I suck at math, but I want to learn it. Even if it takes me 10 years to grasp calculus, I'm going to do it, I don't want anything denied to me because of a diagnosis.

As for my people skills? It was really forced on me to be social. Now I wait tables, I have 4 roommates; I'm around people all the time. It's not that I particularly crave being around people, but I do get lonely...but even when around people. I was essentially taught that I had to like being around people, though. My dad was a minister in the Bible Belt and my mom was a hairdresser, being a social butterfly was really forced upon me. I like being around people, but I need alone time or I don't get anything done.
Another thing that was forced upon me was aerobics, ballet and tap-class...umm, that didn't pan out so well, but that's another post...let's just say a room full of tap shoes was very daunting for me when I was 5, lol...

How I ended up on this site is because I met an aspie, I didn't know he was an aspie at the time...but he understood me and my symptoms. God, it was so nice to finally meet a kindred spirit. He said things, like things that will heal me for life about the inadequacies of growing up being "different." I respect him a lot because over time, I realized that everything else that goes with Asperger's is harder to deal with. He has accomplished way more than me, and it makes me extremely happy for him. I didn't meet him on here, I stumbled upon this site because it helped me figure out a lot about aspergers and people. Anyway, I outgrew some of this stuff, but there's a part of me that will always remember this.

Sorry I rambled, btw, I really don't get to talk too much about this.



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13 Dec 2011, 11:47 pm

Fascinating, knh. If you're actually struggling with calculus I really recommend this book, it's how I taught myself before going to university to study maths: http://www.amazon.com/Calculus-Made-Eas ... 0333772431