Can you relate to schizoid personality disorder?

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07 Apr 2009, 4:44 am

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The descriptive tradition began in Ernst Kretschmer’s (1925)[4] portrayal of observable schizoid behaviours which he organized into three groups of characteristics; (1) unsociability, quietness, reservedness, seriousness, and eccentricity; (2) timidity, shyness with feelings, sensitivity, nervousness, excitability, and fondness of nature and books, and (3) pliability, kindliness, honesty, indifference, silence, and cold emotional attitudes.[4] In these characteristics one can see the precursors of the DSM-IV division of schizoid character into three distinct personality disorders, though Kretschmer himself did not conceive of separating these behaviours to the point of radical isolation, considering them instead as simultaneously present as varying potentials in schizoid individuals. For Kretschmer the majority of schizoids are not either oversensitive or cold, but they are oversensitive and cold “at the same time” in quite different relative proportions, with a tendency to move along these dimensions from one behavior to the other. [4]


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Can you relate to this condition? I read the Wikipedia article and I could truly relate.



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07 Apr 2009, 4:49 am

Well, I was kind of diagnosed with it once, so I suppose I must do.

Yeah I relate somewhat. I thought I might have had schizoid pd for a while. But AS is a better fit.



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07 Apr 2009, 4:53 am

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Well, I was kind of diagnosed with it once, so I suppose I must do.

Yeah I relate somewhat. I thought I might have had schizoid pd for a while. But AS is a better fit.


I'm not sure which of the two I have. When I read descriptions of both, I fit some characteristics but not others.



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07 Apr 2009, 4:53 am

In that quote I do for every description, but on the Wiki article I knew that I can't from the first paragraph.
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07 Apr 2009, 5:15 am

timeisdead wrote:
excitability, and fondness of nature and books


I wouldn't want to be normal if it implies I have to be bored by everything and hate nature and books.

Sometimes I wonder if this isn't all just part of an anti-thoughtfulness conspiracy conducted by those who wish to control the masses. Many intellectuals are very critical of the pseusoscience underpinning the psychiatric 'profession'. Governments and corporations don't care so long as we buy stuff and encourage others to do same.


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07 Apr 2009, 6:40 am

I fit:

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ICD-10 criteria
* Emotional coldness
yeah, towards things related to TOM and social stuff which I don't get

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[...] reduced affection.

As defined by 'Outward behaviors, including but not limited to facial expression and vocal modulation, which express emotions.'

That's pretty normal for autism which I have.

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* Indifference to either praise or criticism.

Sometimes. People's praise and criticism is sometimes right and cool, sometimes cool but false in which case I don't care for it.

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DSM-IV-TR criteria
7. shows [...] flattened affectivity

same as above
but not:
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7. shows emotional coldness

and not:
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6. appears indifferent to the praise or criticism of others


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07 Apr 2009, 6:46 am

ManErg wrote:
Sometimes I wonder if this isn't all just part of an anti-thoughtfulness conspiracy conducted by those who wish to control the masses. Many intellectuals are very critical of the pseusoscience underpinning the psychiatric 'profession'. Governments and corporations don't care so long as we buy stuff and encourage others to do same.


I fear you may be right.

In any case I see they list "autistic thinking" as a clinical feature



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07 Apr 2009, 7:16 am

I relate to their emotional numbness. My numbness is because of the size of my amygdalae. I shrunk them with a neurotoxin so that I don't have the flight-or-fight response in every aspect of my life. The human mirror system, I have damaged mine too. Somatic mimicry is gone. I have had to learn all the proper responses to stimuli. It wasn't fun at first but then I compared myself to a psychopath. If someone calls my name, I turn around and respond with a yes.



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07 Apr 2009, 10:45 am

I relate to all of it besides the excitability and possibly kindliness. But I know I have PDD b/c that is what I was diagnosed w/ when I was little. But a lot of those symptoms show through me b/c I am blocking things out.



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07 Apr 2009, 11:51 am

Someone thought I could be schizoid, but the people who think I'm an aspie say I'm not. The criteria for schizoid:

* Emotional coldness, detachment or reduced affection.
Not really me, although I don't always show emotion, I still have it. I open up around people who are close.

* Limited capacity to express either positive or negative emotions towards others.
Same

* Consistent preference for solitary activities.
Maybe a little, but I can enjoy activities with others, and I would enjoy them more if the activities were more successful.

* Very few, if any, close friends or relationships, and a lack of desire for such.
I have a few close friends and I desire them.

* Indifference to either praise or criticism.
My response is blunted by a lack of understanding of appropriateness of response, not because I am truly indifferent.

* Taking pleasure in few, if any, activities.
I take pleasure in many of the things I do, and sometimes I show it.

* Indifference to social norms and conventions.
OK, but this also goes with Asperger's.

* Preoccupation with fantasy and introspection.
Daydreaming is common for me, but it's not really fantasy based.

* Lack of desire for sexual experiences with another person.
Definitely not me.

Schizoid has some negative symptoms in common with Asperger's, but I am definitely not schizoid!


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07 Apr 2009, 1:15 pm

Some shrink tried to slap that diagnosis on me but changed his mind.


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07 Apr 2009, 2:23 pm

It sounds a lot like AS. I could relate to it like lack of affection, lack of sexual desires, lack of close friends, and when I am at home in Montana, I am still alone but I don't mind going out with my family if they decide to go to Missoula. I don't think I meet enough for the criteria. I don't know if I show emotional coldness but I have been told I don't have empathy and I don't care about others so I probably do then. I have no clue what solitary activities are.



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07 Apr 2009, 2:49 pm

i got diagnosed with it along with a cognative disorder


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07 Apr 2009, 4:22 pm

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07 Apr 2009, 4:32 pm

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I relate to their emotional numbness. My numbness is because of the size of my amygdalae. I shrunk them with a neurotoxin so that I don't have the flight-or-fight response in every aspect of my life. The human mirror system, I have damaged mine too. Somatic mimicry is gone. I have had to learn all the proper responses to stimuli. It wasn't fun at first but then I compared myself to a psychopath. If someone calls my name, I turn around and respond with a yes.
That's interesting. What did you use to shrink your amygdala? How did you do it?

I'm not planning to do it, but I'm just interested in knowing.



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07 Apr 2009, 8:25 pm

I have some strong schizoid traits. Like a small but significant part of the spectrum, I almost never form relationships with people outside my family, though this doesn't show when I am in a public situation because I will randomly approach people and have conversations, with little or no care whether or not I embarrass myself. I care most about people when they know interesting things. I don't suffer separation anxiety; I have been homesick for a total of twenty minutes in my entire life, after moving five states away at the age of 17 while still unable to properly take care of myself. (I've missed my home more often than that, but never my family.) I don't miss friends who move away. I didn't grieve for my uncle when he died, nor my stepfather. I didn't know either one of them well enough. That doesn't mean I'm not altruistic; human suffering, from friends or strangers, strikes me as very wrong--as wrong and uncomfortable as 2+2=5 or pants made out of wool. So I want to fix that, and it makes me actually quite compassionate. I understand human suffering because I have experienced it to some degree, as any human being has; and since I know that every human being is a little universe just like I am, I want very much for things that hurt people not to happen.

The thing that makes me non-schizoid is that I experience life as very colorful and intense. Maybe autism has something to do with that. But I care deeply about what I accomplish and about my hobbies; I feel things very intensely and express my emotions very transparently.

What I am is basically an extreme introvert. You could stretch the Schizoid definition to cover me; but it would be a tight fit. Asperger's introvert fits a lot better.


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