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17 Apr 2009, 8:44 pm

I do, whenever I'm learning to speak Spanish. Does this have to do with AS or is it because I have Joubert Syndrome?



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17 Apr 2009, 8:51 pm

Yes I failed to trill my r's when learning another language. I don't think it has to with AS because I have a hard enough time pronouncing words.
I just look up Joubert Syndrome. Interesting, it sounds like me.
Oh yeah I also have a tongue tie, so any attempt at rolling my r's would hurt.



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17 Apr 2009, 8:53 pm

It took me forever to learn to roll my R's. I just kept trying to roll them whenever I was talking to myself or someone in my family (ie not in public :lol: ) until it started happening. Don't give up!


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17 Apr 2009, 8:55 pm

I can roll my R's very well. My mom once made a comment about it when I was a teen and she said it would make me a speak very good Spanish when I said "Purrfect" rolling my R's. I don't think lot of people can do this.



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17 Apr 2009, 8:57 pm

I think that problem is VERY common with native speakers of languages, like english, where such sounds aren't made. Apparently, males are even MORE likely to have the problem. And I have that problem. And I DON'T have Joubert Syndrome,



17 Apr 2009, 8:58 pm

Anyone notice how people whose English isn't their very first language, speak very poor English?

They are so hard to understand.



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17 Apr 2009, 9:01 pm

Spokane_Girl wrote:
Anyone notice how people whose English isn't their very first language, speak very poor English?

They are so hard to understand.

My dad was excellent but he had speech therapy.



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17 Apr 2009, 9:02 pm

I can't do it either. When I first realised I couldn't do it (12-ish) I tried without success to learn. I can never be a pirate, yarrr :(
my mum can do it really well

Spokane_Girl wrote:
Anyone notice how people whose English isn't their very first language, speak very poor English?

They are so hard to understand.


Some of them can speak great English, better than a lot of native speakers!! !
Don't see what this has to do with it though



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17 Apr 2009, 9:07 pm

Spokane_Girl wrote:
Anyone notice how people whose English isn't their very first language, speak very poor English?

They are so hard to understand.


Actually, there ARE a LOT of people that speak english fine that are from non speaking countries. It is IRONIC that indians probably have a better chance of being exposed to english, and yet they don't speak it as well as many russians.

I just wish more people that came to work in the US would try to speak better, ESPECIALLY if they were writing public documents, or dealing with the public. HEY, I don't go to THEIR countries and speak some foreign language that THEY have trouble understanding.



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17 Apr 2009, 9:09 pm

happypuff wrote:
I can't do it either. When I first realised I couldn't do it (12-ish) I tried without success to learn. I can never be a pirate, yarrr :(
my mum can do it really well

Spokane_Girl wrote:
Anyone notice how people whose English isn't their very first language, speak very poor English?

They are so hard to understand.


Some of them can speak great English, better than a lot of native speakers!! !
Don't see what this has to do with it though


yarrr doesn't have a trilled or rolled R. You can STILL be a pirate!



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17 Apr 2009, 9:11 pm

2ukenkerl wrote:
Spokane_Girl wrote:
Anyone notice how people whose English isn't their very first language, speak very poor English?

They are so hard to understand.


Actually, there ARE a LOT of people that speak english fine that are from non speaking countries. It is IRONIC that indians probably have a better chance of being exposed to english, and yet they don't speak it as well as many russians.

I just wish more people that came to work in the US would try to speak better, ESPECIALLY if they were writing public documents, or dealing with the public. HEY, I don't go to THEIR countries and speak some foreign language that THEY have trouble understanding.

English is a very hard language to learn, especially for those languages that have very little in common with it.



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17 Apr 2009, 9:17 pm

I cannot roll my R's... I learned to double and triple tongue as a musician in order to compensate technically in some ways, but I'm terrible in languages. Went to speech therapy as a child due to trouble with R's, S's, and compound sounds.


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17 Apr 2009, 9:21 pm

Lot of people at my job speak poor English they are hard to understand. There are some there who can speak good English because I can understand them. I knew one lady at my last job who was from another country and she spoke good English but had troubles saying some words so she was hard to understand at times. She had troubles with S's and few other letters.



17 Apr 2009, 9:24 pm

happypuff wrote:
I can't do it either. When I first realised I couldn't do it (12-ish) I tried without success to learn. I can never be a pirate, yarrr :(
my mum can do it really well

Spokane_Girl wrote:
Anyone notice how people whose English isn't their very first language, speak very poor English?

They are so hard to understand.


Some of them can speak great English, better than a lot of native speakers!! !
Don't see what this has to do with it though



Because being unable to roll R's is not an aspie thing I don't think because learning to speak another language is hard and you have to learn to pronounce their letters and it can be hard. So lot of people have that difficulty. Lot of people at my job speak very poor English and I have seen people saying letters wrong in our language because English isn't their primary language.



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17 Apr 2009, 9:41 pm

pensieve wrote:
2ukenkerl wrote:
Spokane_Girl wrote:
Anyone notice how people whose English isn't their very first language, speak very poor English?

They are so hard to understand.


Actually, there ARE a LOT of people that speak english fine that are from non speaking countries. It is IRONIC that indians probably have a better chance of being exposed to english, and yet they don't speak it as well as many russians.

I just wish more people that came to work in the US would try to speak better, ESPECIALLY if they were writing public documents, or dealing with the public. HEY, I don't go to THEIR countries and speak some foreign language that THEY have trouble understanding.

English is a very hard language to learn, especially for those languages that have very little in common with it.


At least English doesn't have the non standard pitch variances, like chinese, the odd glotal stops, and singsong nature of danish, or the declension and similar things like German, or the spelling changes, and pronunciation changes of French. Still, it is amazing that some people make VERY simple mistakes, and make them for DECADES.

I DO have to admit that I think German is the easiest to pronounce, and I think Danish has the simplest grammar. For writing, pronunciation, and some grammar, I think French is the hardest, though German Grammar isn't that easy either.



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17 Apr 2009, 9:44 pm

I should repeat though, that this inability is NOT an AS trait. I bet the people from areas that trill their Rs that are aspie do just FINE! Conversly, there are a LOT of non aspies that DON'T!