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The bloody school's making my 6 year old brother think all the Jesus/God stuff is real. It's not even a religious school, they shouldn't be getting them to pray.

Don't worry, after he turns 9 he'll be shooting the elderly with a slingshot.

o.o confused again

they shouldnt force them, but they should give them the oppertunity to explore Spirituality... i assume this is happening in RE lessons....

No this is before they eat their lunch. It's the same school I went to, they practically make out that it's historical fact. I was the only kid in my class when I was about 8 who just refused to pray because I didn't believe it. My brothers coming home thinking everyone believes in God though and it's all truth. I don't mind kids learning about religion in RE really, as long as they don't make out that it is fact and they discuss each main religion equally. But they're just assuming everyone's Christian automatically.

are they aloud to force people to pray where you live?

Can someone please explain what this means?

I don't think they're actually allowed to force people. I refused and they didn't do anything to make me. It's just that, because the kids are so young, they're teaching it as fact and the kids actually believe it. So most of them just go along with the praying without even understanding what it means.
There should be complete separation of Church and State in this country.

personally, i think they should stop pushing Theism and Atheism down childrens necks.... it is not the role of the State to dictate what a person should believe, think or feel (i know, many states have believed this... but what does history show?)

the truth of the matter is this, neither side has proof either way, yet, and we cannot conclusively say 'there IS a God' or 'There ISNT a God', we can only say 'i BELIEVE' or 'i FEEL' or even 'i THEORISE'.

the mind of a child is not ready to tackle these concepts, and brings the danger of creating closed mindedness by placing beliefs (including Atheism) in the early developmental centres of the brain, making them ingrained.

it should be only true facts taught in schools (and evolution is STILL a theory, and discredited by Palentologists ). at the end of the day, we all have theories on why things are the way they are, i am a Christian, you are an Atheist but lets not put our own views on people, let them choose their own way.

wait until they reach adulthood, and then give them the oppertunity to examine the concepts of Metaphisical speculation and decide for themselves.

after all, if there IS a God, then he has his own methods for reaching us, i am happy to talk to other adults about what i believe, but to force a person to believe anything not proven is manipulation.

hope ive made sense

I think evolution should definitely be taught in schools. It's a scientific theory, whereas, creationism/ID have no scientific basis. Everyone should have the opportunity to look into different religions, and they do have that opportunity, but it shouldn't be portrayed as fact or as something which everyone believes in.
I agree with you that no beliefs should be forced onto children, but I don't think we are pushing atheism onto kids, atheism is also different to theism in that, despite what a lot of people think, it doesn't rely on faith in there being no god. Whereas religions relies on faith in something which has no logic/evidence behind it.
By the way, I don't want all that to sound like I'm personally attacking your beliefs, I'm not, it just might have come across like that so sorry if it has.

we will have to disagree of the whole evolution debate im afraid, i can provide you with so much evidence against it that it would seem to you as wishy washy as you see Creationism to be. im not saying this from a Christian perspective here, but from a scientific one, it is NOT as watertight as you or many people think, and is an example of how Atheism can be as dangerious on developing minds... many believe it to the hilt without knowing anything behind it, they believe it cause it was taught that way to them




actually it kinda does... if God does exist, then Atheism would be screwed, it has no proof that there is no God, it just believes there is none.



dont worry im not offended, i respect others for having their own beliefs - its up to them, but i do hate lies, and yes, i consider Evolution a lie... you can call it a pet peeve. didnt believe it even when i was an Atheist myself.

i hope i havent offended you

im off to a meeting now, back later, bye

I have read a lot of the arguments and point against evolution, I don't just accept it because I was taught to or anything, I have researched it myself. Creationism has no scientific evidence or logic behind it whatsoever though.



It doesn't. There is weak atheism and strong atheism. Even Richard Dawkins has stated that there is no way pf proving the existence or non-existence of a god. So it's not a case of me sitting here saying that there definitely IS NOT a god. It's more a case of, there is no logic or rational thought behind it, therefore I feel the same way about the existence of a god as I do about the existence of the Tooth Fairy.
Do you not accept evolution at all?

The majority of science is theory. There is no such thing as proof beyond all doubt.

No one has ever seen the structure of a molecule, or an atom, or a quark with the naked eye. No one can see the electric and magnetic wave construction of light.

Evolution exists in the long and the short term. Small genetic mutations happen every generation. The productive and successful are more likely to reproduce, and create more productive and successful individuals. Even if humanity started with just Adam and Eve and no one else, without the mutations that evolution gives, humanity would be limited to a total 3 X chromosomes and 1 Y chromosome. That makes a total of 3 genetically different men, and 6 genetically different women. Evolution has to exist if you take the bible as complete truth.

If you accept that the bible is a collection of stories, meant to inspire faith, and show the character of God, there is room for science. The 7 day creation story allows for the possibility of the big bang theory and the slow creation of galaxies, stars, and planets, as well as the evolution of all of God's creatures. The order of events is laid out properly. Time does not matter to God like it does to us. There's no reason why he would rush.

If God is as all-seeing and all-knowing as everyone says He is, He wouldn't have to interfere in everyday life. All that needs to be done is the right little push at the beginning of it all to make everything happen the way He wants it to. He knew ahead of time all the wars we would have, all the smart and stupid theories we would have, all the choices we may or may not make, and how much we would help and hurt each other. The point of it all is for us to experience it.

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I am not getting involved

Jameson: think about it, if Eve was made from Adams rib, wouldn't there be less genetic variation because you are, pretty much just using one person, or more variation due to other chroms, (not just sex chroms )

anyway see you later... O_O

I believe in the Mitochondrial Eve

Starting off you disagree about something, so "agree to disagree" is redundant, Jameson. It is, possibly one of those NT phrases used to make the other person feel better. I don't consider it a logical contradiction, however,: it is not "agree AND disagree" but "disagree AND disagree," which by the law of redundancy in statement logic can be reduced to just "disagree."

edit: last one assuming they are not genetically the same