The Autism Acceptance Movement

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What 'Autism Acceptance Movement'?

As far as I can tell, this is simply another ci invention in which he uses words in his own special way to further his promotion of 'autism as a disorder requiring a cure' and disparaging those of us who are proud of ourselves.

Look on Google. If your autism is not a disorder then your autism is not a disorder. If my and others autism are a disability thus a disorder then it is for us. I propose these politics become more individualistic rather then seek to impose another persons reality of themselves on others.

Whether it is on google or not, I am certain that you are erring in your representation of it. You can't help yourself.

Either way, I'm not at all interested in your understanding of 'Autism Acceptance Movement'. I'll stand by my assertion that you are referring to it to further your promotion of 'autism as a disorder requiring a cure' and disparaging those of us who are proud of yourselves, something of which I am growing weary.

Why can't you stick to one thread for this hateful nonsense rather than creating new threads whenever someone disagrees with you (which results in a lot of threads)?

The same can be said about an intolerance toward those who want a cure. The best recommendation I have put forth is that autism be viewed by society as individual and subjective. There is nothing wrong with seeking to make a cure available for those that choose. It would be wrong to remove that choice from others and dictate to them because of your personal opinions another person cannot have that choice or portrayal.

Sigh...

I have never suggested what you are protesting against.

Shame on you for suggesting otherwise.

What I have said is that there will be no 'cure' in your lifetime.

I also assert that you really don't have a clue what you mean by 'cure' when it comes to autism.

The topic is about allot more then just you with all do respect. Shame on you for assuming otherwise as I'm speaking about the rigid issues of division and not your minds atmosphere projected into the collective psyche and your proposition as to if I am proposing a psychical manifestion on your part. It does not ultimately matter if their will be a cure in my lifetime or not. As far as if I know what I'm talking about just because you have a PHD does not make you an expert at how I personally view autism and a cure under the premise of a medical modality. I view autism as a set of individual symptoms and proclaim no scientific declaration of absolute knowledge. I speak usually having to do with choice based rights and social awareness ethics in context to those individual liberties. Yet let's assume you do since you think and proclaim in an obvious sense I for sure don't know what I'm talking about with regards to the topics I bring up.

ci - I'm going to walk away for tonight.

You are right where you started, and I can't see any point in continuing this conversation.

Then again, my posts in these threads haven't been primarily for you, but for the people who look at these threads out of morbid curiousity.

I wish you well and hope that some of what people have said sinks in over time.

I meant the above as a joke. I am perfectly comfortable with my perspective which is about a diversity and the right of a diversities choices. Those who believe in a cure whom also have autism ought to have their rights protected in PR as well. It is my enjoyment to argue for it.

Being that it's a ci invention, than I've wasted my words earlier on. I also believe that those of us who don't want a cure shouldn't be beaten over the head into wanting to be cured. For me to have the cure forced upon me would be an insult to me. If it ain't broke than don't fix it. I'm not broken, therefore I don't need to be fixed. What decade are you living in ci? The 1940s?

One more thing and don't ask for "evidence". Having an aspie for an avatar doesn't make me a Pride Mite. It means that I'm at peace with myself and my AS. I'm not going to waste my time looking for any type of evidence for you. I have a hard enough time reading some of the posts here as it is, and you want me to look for evidence and post some links, ci? Grow up!

If you look on Google under curebie autism you will find over 177,000 mentions of the word yet the mention of the word pride-mite so very rare yet is so very insulting in comparison it is personally tragic. Few are the times do pride related advocates actually stand up for the rights of individuals to have a cure be developed should others choose it whom also have autism. Hardly is this a balanced debate by individuals who themselves would not choose a cure in the name of human rights. Yet somehow to bother looking up the inventions of others which I cannot stake claim to is akin to being childish that I might need to grow up. I can understand that an assertion that choices are individualized, protected by the law and ought to be respected may somehow threaten some personal views in the "cure" and "treatment" debate due to a reflective image of autism and ones own politics. No matter how unpopular a choice might be created with peer pressure and socially evaded with name calling it still stands yet in theory as protected liberty in potential and for dignity reasons where socially others may face put downs for choosing cure protected by the right to privacy.

This is the core debates rationale fairly well solved. I find it to be clear and unchanging. No matter the stink applied to individual choices and how choices may be enabled to create them human rights prevail and there is nothing childish about it. I think your rights ought to be protected but as far as the unavoidable conflict concerning the image of autism in society in context to treatment research philosophies will differ because choices are diverse.

The tragic name calling against pride known as pride-mite name calling exist 4 times in total on Google! A very fair cry from the known put downs, peer social exclusion at times toward individuals that want one and disrespect for individuals that desire a cure.

[quote="ci"]If you look on Google under curebie autism you will find over 177,000 mentions of the word yet the mention of the word pride-mite so very rare yet is so very insulting in comparison it is personally tragic.[quote]

That's because any self-respecting person like us would never use such a stupid name. Curebie doesn't sound like you're disparaging someone like you think you're king of the world.

Are you saying I think I am king of the world? Perhaps you might consider those desiring a cure not having self-respect? I am wondering and would like your reply. When the whole anti-cure name calling was going on in the beginning it spread like wildfire within some online social groups. If anyone dared support cure research they were called a cure-mite of sorts. When cure itself was growing in popularity as an awareness concept people at times went from A.S is a horrible condition to it's just a difference according to some applicable self-advocates. How these notions effect social expressions and how a group behaves in context to them I find fascinating.

No, no, no no no no no! That's a lie. I have never been against people curing their issues. But all you have done is said 'we need a cure!' whilst relying on hearsay and flawed logic as your reasoning and all you did was pound us with your senseless whining, insulting, smug arrogance when we said that we didn't! The first thing I posted up, the first topic about why this cure stuff doesn't make sense and all you said in response could be boiled down to cheap retorts you arrogant loser.

I am not talking about this website as when the cure debate was beginning I don't think it existed. From post to post you depend on put downs, insults and name calling. I have clearly said individuals that do not desire a cure and whom do not think they need a cure ought not be forced nor considered to need a cure. On the other hand others desire a cure. To what extent should advocacy of others remove that potential choice of others that deem themselves needing a cure. To say a cure for autism ought to be developed is an insult? Given the line of reasoning a cure ought to be developed is it automatically insulting? I think the conflict arises in the shared idea of autism socially which seems to be almost but not quite unavoidable.

You continue to demean, name call and personally attack. It is in violation of the terms of this website. However I really unlike you who does resort to constant, persistent and clear personal attacks really won't allow myself to take it to personally. I don't believe in a censorship type of socialism but rather free speech. So you can continue if it makes you feel better because your getting the anger out.

I am just in awe of people who have managed to form some kind of hypothesis about what ci may actually be trying to say...

I am not in the same league...I can only get as far as:

"ci wants attention"

and

"ci wants to be the boss of this game"

I can't make sense of any of the rest at all.

Just want to stimulate constructive debate.