Opinions on pro-cure/anti-cure for class assignment
I was speaking to Gedrene.
You were saying that I play the Piano. But that's a completely load of balderdash. I don't pla the Piano and I never said that I did. That was someone else. Can you read rather than baselessly assume?
Noooo... I said that I hadn't told you any of my special interests. You seem to be stuck in very thick black and white thinking, where just because I say that you are wrong about my special interests, you assume that I have none.
· naïve, inappropriate, one-sided interaction with others
· little or no ability to form friendships
· social anxiety
· pedantic, repetitive speech
· intense absorption in certain subjects, often involving minutia (e.g., train
schedules, numbers, maps)
· poor non-verbal communication, including limited use of gestures and facial
expressions
· clumsy, ill-coordinated movements, odd postures or mannerisms
· difficulty establishing and maintaining eye-contact
What is amazing is how many studies say these things all of which are generalized heavily in their meaning froma practical point of view, many of which can be normal human traits depending on the person, none of which ever simply mean the same thing, none of which together imply one disorder together.
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What changed, is I bought my first bike at fifteen, and as a man-machine, I do well. Fifty years on the road, never hit anything. I have strange posture. sit crosslegged. It is natural for me, and a lot of others world wide.
They gave up on teaching me to write, I have printed all my life. I got good at it. I met several others that did the same, we all owned Rapidiograph ink pens. Thin line drafting pens, expensive then, now Bic makes them in several line widths.
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We are born perceptive, willing, eager to meet life, we are met with a life destroying rejection.
Some do survive, find our song, but the sorrow can be heard.
Yes, exactly. I agree, entirely.
I feel that neurotypicals are mad, merely wanting to hurt, probably to feel more powerful that something else. I'm trying not to hate both them and me. At the moment, that is hard. I do not think that we need a cure for AS. Perhaps we need a cure for their form of madness.
What changed, is I bought my first bike at fifteen, and as a man-machine, I do well. Fifty years on the road, never hit anything. I have strange posture. sit crosslegged. It is natural for me, and a lot of others world wide.
They gave up on teaching me to write, I have printed all my life. I got good at it. I met several others that did the same, we all owned Rapidiograph ink pens. Thin line drafting pens, expensive then, now Bic makes them in several line widths.
---snip---
...
We are born perceptive, willing, eager to meet life, we are met with a life destroying rejection.
Some do survive, find our song, but the sorrow can be heard.
Yes, exactly. I agree, entirely.
I feel that neurotypicals are mad, merely wanting to hurt, probably to feel more powerful that something else. I'm trying not to hate both them and me. At the moment, that is hard. I do not think that we need a cure for AS. Perhaps we need a cure for their form of madness.
To be honest I would rather deal with people as individuals rather than say they are all mad.
Niall
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Joined: 12 Feb 2011
Age: 51
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Location: Forth Estuary Area, Western Palearctic Archipelago, Sol III, Orion Spur, Milky Way
Niall
Velociraptor
Joined: 12 Feb 2011
Age: 51
Gender: Male
Posts: 478
Location: Forth Estuary Area, Western Palearctic Archipelago, Sol III, Orion Spur, Milky Way
I'm firmly on one side in this debate.
I don't see any point in reiterating the usual arguments for neurodiversity, but I read an interesting article in New Scientist recently, to the effect that the genes that code for several "disorders", with AS as a specific example, have had a major influence in human technological development.
The article is now behind a paywall, but my blog on the subject is not. This explains in some detail why I oppose "cures" and prenatal testing, and instead advocate the development of a more compassionate, nurturing, society. I hope some of this helps with your project.
http://runakuna.wordpress.com/2011/11/14/occupy-for-a-more-compassionate-society/
I'm currently struggling to stay on enough of an even keel to stay alive, but I'd rather die as me than live as a mentally emasculated drone of the dominant social structure.
My preferred option is to build a society that values and nurtures all its members, not just rich ones. Fighting for that is currently about my only reason to stay alive at the moment.
I hope this helps your project.
To be honest I would rather deal with people as individuals rather than say they are all mad.
All of them, probably not. Enough to make the lives of anyone sensitive a misery - definitely.
Yeah, I guess you got a point. NTs and sensitivity is a weird concept. They're sensitive about forcing the truth and insensitive about other's feelings. Many of them also aren't very good at teaching what's the right thing to do. They just bash people around the head when they don't do it 'their way'.
I was speaking to Gedrene.
You were saying that I play the Piano. But that's a completely load of balderdash. I don't pla the Piano and I never said that I did. That was someone else. Can you read rather than baselessly assume?
Another explanation, and one requiring no temperature elevation, is that it was a simple mistake.
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What changed, is I bought my first bike at fifteen, and as a man-machine, I do well. Fifty years on the road, never hit anything. I have strange posture. sit crosslegged. It is natural for me, and a lot of others world wide.
They gave up on teaching me to write, I have printed all my life. I got good at it. I met several others that did the same, we all owned Rapidiograph ink pens. Thin line drafting pens, expensive then, now Bic makes them in several line widths.
---snip---
...
We are born perceptive, willing, eager to meet life, we are met with a life destroying rejection.
Some do survive, find our song, but the sorrow can be heard.
Yes, exactly. I agree, entirely.
I feel that neurotypicals are mad, merely wanting to hurt, probably to feel more powerful that something else. I'm trying not to hate both them and me. At the moment, that is hard. I do not think that we need a cure for AS. Perhaps we need a cure for their form of madness.
Mad, yes, wanting to hurt, no.
Niall
Velociraptor
Joined: 12 Feb 2011
Age: 51
Gender: Male
Posts: 478
Location: Forth Estuary Area, Western Palearctic Archipelago, Sol III, Orion Spur, Milky Way
What changed, is I bought my first bike at fifteen, and as a man-machine, I do well. Fifty years on the road, never hit anything. I have strange posture. sit crosslegged. It is natural for me, and a lot of others world wide.
They gave up on teaching me to write, I have printed all my life. I got good at it. I met several others that did the same, we all owned Rapidiograph ink pens. Thin line drafting pens, expensive then, now Bic makes them in several line widths.
---snip---
...
We are born perceptive, willing, eager to meet life, we are met with a life destroying rejection.
Some do survive, find our song, but the sorrow can be heard.
Yes, exactly. I agree, entirely.
I feel that neurotypicals are mad, merely wanting to hurt, probably to feel more powerful that something else. I'm trying not to hate both them and me. At the moment, that is hard. I do not think that we need a cure for AS. Perhaps we need a cure for their form of madness.
Mad, yes, wanting to hurt, no.
So why, with their apparent ability to understand the emotions of others, are they so good at hurting others?
I don't enjoy it. But then again I am following the discussion quite a lot closely since I am one of the participants.
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