Opinions on pro-cure/anti-cure for class assignment

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For the record I voted "pro cure, I am the parent of an ASD child".
Cure being a broad term, I don't believe there will be a cure as such as people imagine a complete change, but I believe there will be things that will help my son to talk again who once could.

I voted anti cure. survival o the fitest seems like a good analogy right about now. People with aspergers eventually learn to deal with what they are dealt. There are some "ethical approaches" to selective breeding that could "possiblely" take the physical conditions out of the ASD package.

and the left handed religious bs get it outta here, it has no place on wrongplanet, it makes everyone look bad , and I wonder how much perent of the world is let handed, maybe 50% or more?

just like the above at the religious comments, one person can spoil the whole group.
(observation taken from NTs)

I take it all back and swear by the left hand of CockneyRebel that leftys are cool folks.

It is those foureyed monsters who wear glasses that are the problem.

Just because there is a support for their disability, that allows them to wander among us and behave like normal people, it is an illusion, as Piggy learned in Lord of the Flies.

It keeps them from developing their natural talents, like finding things by feel.

It is a slipery slope, sure, they could see like everyone else, but then they wanted to see where no one could, like in the dark with artifical light. Then they took to lighting the streets and yards, and now blot out the Stars.

The quite and darkness of the night our ancestors knew since the beginning of time has been sacrificed to the spectacle of spectacles!

Support for the Visually Impaired has lead to the current generation of children having never seen the Stars.

What was gained by whom, what was lost to everyone?

Once people had a strong self image, took pride in being fit. Then this clothing fad started in the Mesolithic.

The social decay is obvious, they hid their filth and vermin beneath clothes, doused with fru fru water, and belted down beer bellies.

Obesity is rampant, because they can just throw a tent over it and pretend. Jabba's wardrobe by Coleman.

No one is born dressed and wearing glasses. No one is born half as wide as tall.

Look within your mind, you know the truth of ages, what image comes when you think, Naked in the Dark, beneath a stary sky? Does it need a Cure? Could you find your way by feel?

I vote maybe, maybe a couple of blankets and a good bottle of wine.

With all the different studies recently AFAIK, in particular with regard to boys with what we call 'Classic' Autism off the top of my head they are seeing:

- Prefrontal cortex's have way more synapses
- Brain is heavier, and head is larger
- Face has a defined symmetry
- Combination of gene markers involved but how is not known
- Unique way the blood circulates in the brain

Etc

Some of which may be wrong..but at least picture is slowly being built. Its like a foggy picture 1km away and your looking through a distorted child's telescope that came out of a Christmas cracker. But its the first image..and then you can start staggering (it is Christmas and you've had too much eggnog) in the direction of the image to learn more.

I can't help but notice at least with people I know that there's a preponderance of severely Autistic children born to parents like myself, work in tech fields, higher IQ. Theres a correlation there of as yet undetermined mechanism, at least for a certain 'type' of autism for want of a better term.
So maybe the things that make people good at being an engineer have a relationship with things that can if expressed a certain way make you unable to learn to talk or get dressed. And maybe for example we can separate them?

One of many mere speculations, but the point is we don't know what we don't know until we do. At which point we do, and what we find may make us very surprised and lead to great things - Or the dreaded NT apocalypse but I do not believe it.
But anyway chalk me down for finding out.

I think we are seeing several things as one, and that the truth of none.

I do not know has been replaced with ASD.

Changing classes is obvious, Mental Retardation has dropped as Autism has risen.

Where once it was taken as one in ten would function in the world, eight more or less with support, and one that was severe, expanding the class has pushed it toward severe.

ASDs without Autistic symptoms?

There used to be a class of Idiot, Imbecile, Moron, denoting degree of mental retardation. Earlier Eugenics movements did document that they ran in families, such as the story of the Jukes and Kaliaks. Isolated genes, low intelligence, inbreeding, produced a high number of defects.

In general this tracked back to the least in Education, IQ, Income.

More recent studies show something happening in high tech workers, University Professors, Engineers, High education, IQ, Income, and not married to their Second Cousin. Genetic diversity, but selection based on reaching the upper levels of function.

This is the second wave I have heard of, for in Victorian England, 1880-90, the early days of photography, upper class children were photographed.

These were the leading families, the Nobility, Landed Gentry.

I saw pictures of boys perhaps five or six, long hair, for they would throw a fit if it was cut, wearing a baby dress, the lump of the nappy visable beneath, sitting on the floor, unposed, all of the facial features you describe, no eye contact, no smile, a look that said I have been disturbed.

All the other children were dressed, posed, toilet trained.

By everything I know, I would say Autistic child. From the structure of the room, one wide open space, a few high and small windows, this was the attic of a big house, and this child never left. Servants tended to him, he could not care for himself. He could have well been non verbal and given to outbursts. The photographer seemed to be back farther than usual for the period. The child had a look like you have intruded on my space.

During World War I. he became First Lord of the Admirality.

Most photos are of the upper classes, but many exist of the common folk, working in the coal mines and mills at six or seven, with faces that look forty. All of the lower class seem much older than their years, while upper class children are often wearing baby clothes at six, girls dressed exactly like their mothers at seventeen, holding their doll, looking twelve, and married that year.

Neotony has been mentioned in Autism, extended childhoods, not outgrowing the toys of youth, and being slow to develop by outward view.

They were a class apart, and besides photos are documented in history. Married, that girl with her doll became Lady Jane, had a big house, a great fortune, and through her writings, worked to end child labor in the mines, establish public education, Public Health, votes for women, advances in Science and Letters, and continued playing with her dolls. At forty, she looked twenty.

Looking at school pictures, by decade you can see the children looking younger and younger.

Just in my time, 66, I remember some baby faced teens, and now see the same in the twenties.

This change was lead by an educated upper class, that could afford to just let their children grow up at their own speed, supported them through an extended childhood, and they in turn gave much to the children of the lower classes. No matter what, the oldest son inhereted everything, humor him.

There are parallels with the life of Bill Gates. His parents have dropped a few hints, our child we just left in the celler and did not disturb, tried to educate, who skipped school to visit the engineers at the phone company, without permission, and having a paid ticket to Harvard, dropped out first symester, and took up with some long hair people in Arizona. Education money was spent on a Porche.

They left out toilet training, haircuts, and likely a lot more.

I think we are dealing with at least two things that have very little in common. It does the parents of one a great disservice to compare thier child to the inbred birth defects of Juke Hollow, W. VA.

I have read the Biography of Bucky Fuller, at seventeen he spent a year's Trust income, all he had, taking all of the showgirls out for dinner, all of them, and was stone broke after. Upper class family, high intelligence, and I will bet his childhood was hard on the servants. His family made him get a job and work for money, something none had done in generations.

There are a lot of other stories to compare what is showing up in our new rich high tech families, long known in the Aristocracy, the multi generation wealthy, where some great minds start as children, and take their time to savor and enjoy, fully explore, what this being human is about.

Allowing this to be defined by people with Degrees in Marketing and Psych has lead to them trying to grow the business, and they were never Math or Engineering, Hard Science, types.

Nor have they read history, explored the lives of high achivers, or looked at thousands of photographs. As you mention, research has only lately and vaugely gotten some idea of what they were looking for, while I can see my own kind with ease.

Upper intelligence and neotony seem to run together with a neotony of social development, but it all catches up later.

My wife was so sick from 7 - 16 weeks that she lost 10kg and was eventually hospitalised, put on anti nausea drugs normally used for cancer patients (ondansetron) and tube fed. I did my best to keep her hydrated before that..she couldnt take water, I did things like made coca cola 'soup' she could slurp. Aside from her suffering which didnt seem to matter to the drs, they assured us theres no impact to the unborn child. Now I read so much that contradicts this

Patterns through time. The Scandanavian famine study showed results into the fifth generation, and they an isolated people, with a one time event.

This is an experiment in madness being run from a thousand sources, all seeking something for today, and holding no concern for the future. As seen in the bumper sticker, "Let the Bastards freeze in the dark."

I was born in 45, War Rations for years before, three atomic bombs mark my birth, and millions dying in what Jager called a crossfire hurricane.

From the long past, "War breeds heros." Babies born during troubled times were noted to be different. Stress spreads into the womb, preparing to adapt to change.

Women do become men when the men go off and many die, roles come with hormones.

There is a much larger pool of intelligence that is sleeping, until the structure of life falls apart. Also dumb soldiers do not make it home. A Post War Surge of Economy and Invention is often noted.

It stands out in other times, ours has been a constant of war for profit, and all the waves are striking the beach at once.

Our part in World War II only lasted a couple of years. Korea, rotated troops, to avoid the battle fatigue of WWII, Nam one tour and never again, and now our current troops, spending the last decade mostly in Iraq, Afganistan, tour after tour, and many called back after their enlistment was over. There are going to be many results from that experiment.

Now mass employment stress, trapped in a losing game.

Pogo summed it up, "We have met the enemy, and they is us."

Europe has pure food laws, we have unregulated Food Additives.

80,000 new chemical compounds a year, new for Earth, none tested, till maybe ten years after they have been proven to be causing massive damage. Only a long haired commie pinko would attack our Great Nation and Flag of God suggesting that dumping PCBs and Dioxen in rivers could cause any problems.

Government and industry became one during WWII. What is good for General Motors is good for the US.

It is a badly staged play to keep a few in power.

Having stolen everything in the present, the future, they now will turn on each other, all that is left, and the winner will get to live in the rubble with the mutant survivors.

As you sow, so shall you reap.

I don't think a "cure" is possible. Even if there was a cure, I would refuse it because (in my head) theres nothing wrong with me. Its everybody else who has a problem, they're the corrupt ones who won't accept anything that is outside the familiar and mainstream. Cure me?! Bah. They are the ones who need cured of their ignorance!