How would a country run by autistics and aspergians look?
I like the business idea because I think it could work and the like the country idea as a thought exercise. In both cases, I imagine corruption would nearly dissapear because of our preference for straightforward communication and distaste for playing political games. I think management would be efficient for the same reason. There would be designated quiet hours... oh the bliss!
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the united provinces of Autism a land of peace and prosperity where any member of the spectrum can live,work, play without fear of hindered and pro-sue their special interests while enlightening one another like scholars.
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Yes, but since the citizens of this theoretical nation would spend much more time there than abroad, we wouldn't be required to spend nearly as much time or energy accommodating NTs as we currently are. It would be a relaxing, supportive home.
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Different. Also, less social, less large-group-activities. Anything requiring the concentration of large numbers of people to pull off would be seen less frequently. Unique contributions to improving societical infra-structure would probably increase. A much greater diversity will probably be seen in art, music-types, education will likely be based on an individual's strengths and interests rather than some cookie-cutter formula, innovation would probably be greatly improved, the expected adult-age would probalby be when one is at least 25+ or even 30+ rather than 18+ like it is now, more automations would probably be seen running our repetitive menial-tasks, etc.
For the more negative side of things, too many chiefs and not enough indians may result, causing more disagreements as to whether or how something should be done, possibly preventing anything from even being done at all. Certain ASDs may not necessarily get along with other ASDs as there may be differences in opinions due to varying degrees of experience/knowledge, preventing certain projects from even getting off the ground, various kinds of work or projects may not even finish due to a random change of interest or thoughts mid-work, etc. Various projects may not be completed in any consistent manner, due to ASDs working on the project, but then getting burned out and having to take a break from working on the project, thus leaving a ton of unfinished projects everywhere. Although eventually work may resume on said projects again after having been ignored for a few days or even weeks or months and maybe even in same cases years before the ASD returns to resume on said project.
Like I have mentioned in a previous post, Aspies are like the Inventors, and NTs are like the distributors or replicators of those inventions. Aspies are more like teachers of how to fish where-as NTs are willing to go about doing the actual fishing. NTs can be more like the people who keep things running as they are whilst ASDs see the inefficiencies of how things are run but may not necessarily be able to run the operations themselves. Aspies have ideas that could potentially improve society whilst NTs are more about maintaining society's current structures (thus keeping the structures from either decaying or collapsing).
I have a lot more to say on these matters but maybe I will analyse it in more thorough detail on another day. Actually, I will add that countries would not exist, for all locations would simply be referred to as land-masses. Any system in which there are countries, with one of those countries being Aspergian, will simply end up being a repeat of the Story of Troy, with the builders building protection-structures, because they wanted to be left alone to live and work in peace without bother from war-mongers, but were easily deceived and invaded through their defenses by the Trojan-Horse Attack.
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Yes, but since the citizens of this theoretical nation would spend much more time there than abroad, we wouldn't be required to spend nearly as much time or energy accommodating NTs as we currently are. It would be a relaxing, supportive home.
Instead they'd all be drained from accommodating each other. At least NTs largely require similar accommodation. Instead everyone you meet would require a different strategy to deal with.
It would be a frustrating, chaotic home.
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Because a society where everyone stays home in front of their amusement box is a society where nothing is ever accomplished. Sometimes, at least some folk, might have to actually go out into the real world and deal with everything that comes with it.
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Who would install the internet? Who would stock the food in grocery stores, or man the airports or food delivery services? Who would do plumbing or electricity? Who would do construction? Construction involves loud noises, nasty textures, and a lot of working with fellow construction workers. What about health care? It's one thing to know every detail of how the human body works, quite another to actually cut a person open, or co-ordinate a team of nurses... would money be involved? What happens if a neurotypical child is born?
I mean, there are a lot of grand plans here, but they're all entirely unrealistic because they hinge on hard, long, potentially lifethreatening work. I actually laughed when earlier in the thread someone said they had "drawn up a map" of a potential autistic country.
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And people say folks with ASD have no imagination.
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A country or nation-state is not a good goal at this time, and it is counter-productive to discuss when there are no physical communities.
The first groups to set up physical communities or sustained regularly scheduled gatherings will set the agenda for future communities and events. When there are institutions with resources and material barriers to entry and exit, much of the discord you see in some forums, such as the above-mentioned Aspies For Freedom, will not be an issue, because people will have to commit some sort of resources or reputational capital to joining these future institutions. It is difficult to imagine someone driving to an event for the sole purpose of telling the attendees that the event will not happen. If a person wishes to do so, they are free to buy a ticket, and I hope they also enjoy some Tesla Fries at the event or gathering.
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For the more negative side of things, too many chiefs and not enough indians may result, causing more disagreements as to whether or how something should be done, possibly preventing anything from even being done at all. Certain ASDs may not necessarily get along with other ASDs as there may be differences in opinions due to varying degrees of experience/knowledge, preventing certain projects from even getting off the ground, various kinds of work or projects may not even finish due to a random change of interest or thoughts mid-work, etc. Various projects may not be completed in any consistent manner, due to ASDs working on the project, but then getting burned out and having to take a break from working on the project, thus leaving a ton of unfinished projects everywhere. Although eventually work may resume on said projects again after having been ignored for a few days or even weeks or months and maybe even in same cases years before the ASD returns to resume on said project.
Like I have mentioned in a previous post, Aspies are like the Inventors, and NTs are like the distributors or replicators of those inventions. Aspies are more like teachers of how to fish where-as NTs are willing to go about doing the actual fishing. NTs can be more like the people who keep things running as they are whilst ASDs see the inefficiencies of how things are run but may not necessarily be able to run the operations themselves. Aspies have ideas that could potentially improve society whilst NTs are more about maintaining society's current structures (thus keeping the structures from either decaying or collapsing).
I have a lot more to say on these matters but maybe I will analyse it in more thorough detail on another day. Actually, I will add that countries would not exist, for all locations would simply be referred to as land-masses. Any system in which there are countries, with one of those countries being Aspergian, will simply end up being a repeat of the Story of Troy, with the builders building protection-structures, because they wanted to be left alone to live and work in peace without bother from war-mongers, but were easily deceived and invaded through their defenses by the Trojan-Horse Attack.
If the aspie ruled country also included other non-neurotypicals then the other non-neurotypicals might be able to do the work neurotypicals do.
Where is this country going to be anyway? Most if not all land in the world are claimed by various governments of countries with neurotypical society?
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Don't we get bored of moaning about poor us? Let's try to make our own corner of this world. Do we really want to keep leaving our destiny in the hands of people(NT's) who don't even like us half the time?
we should take inspiration from Theodore Herzl (1868-1904) and the Zionist movement. the establishment of a Autistic homeland will not be easy and shall be marred in chaos at first but one day we will be like a city on a hill with a blue banner flying in the distance.
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Don't we get bored of moaning about poor us? Let's try to make our own corner of this world. Do we really want to keep leaving our destiny in the hands of people(NT's) who don't even like us half the time?
we should take inspiration from Theodore Herzl (1868-1904) and the Zionist movement. the establishment of a Autistic homeland will not be easy and shall be marred in chaos at first but one day we will be like a city on a hill with a blue banner flying in the distance.
"If you will it, it is not a dream" -Theodore Herzl
So who's land will Autistics steal to establish a nationstate?
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Don't we get bored of moaning about poor us? Let's try to make our own corner of this world. Do we really want to keep leaving our destiny in the hands of people(NT's) who don't even like us half the time?
we should take inspiration from Theodore Herzl (1868-1904) and the Zionist movement. the establishment of a Autistic homeland will not be easy and shall be marred in chaos at first but one day we will be like a city on a hill with a blue banner flying in the distance.
"If you will it, it is not a dream" -Theodore Herzl
So who's land will Autistics steal to establish a nationstate?
Most if not all the land(even ones that do not have humans living in them) in Earth are owned/claimed by countries or are governed by treaties.
Neurotypicals can say who gives non-neurotypicals/aspergers the right to steal land.
Non-neurotypicals can say who gives neurotypicals the right to treat non-neurotypicals badly.
It's not stealing if you are getting land as a form of compensation for the actions of neurotypical society.
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