ChiefEspatier wrote:
Personally I believe the incels are a product of denying gender differences in mate selection.
The solution to being an incel is to man up. But we live in a society where we can't even discuss what that means.
You want to make a group of men hostile and unempathetic ignore the fact they can't get laid. You can apply to this to any group of people, whether it's slaves, a racial minority etc.
The sociological evidence is clear young men get radically more aggressive the less and less chances they have of finding a mate. Especially when a society wishes to antagonize them by pretending the obstacles to their success don't exist.
If you don't want to add fuel to the fire(this is something people love to do), have the conservation about the challenges these people face.
The incel movement is doing something the rest of society refuses to do. Offering up a path forward. It's an evil path, but that is something that has happened again and again throughout history. Currently the movement involves bitching and moaning and loan wolf terrorist attacks. If you don't want incel violence to become a major concern of yours start a dialogue.
I have edited the quote to the parts that I will be specifically addressing for brevity's sake. I also suggest anyone who agrees with the above statements to read "Men Who Hate Women" by Laura Bates.
First, I call shenanigans on the 'difference in mate selection part. I mean if it was just about mating (as in finding a member of the opposite sex for the purpose of producing offspring) I might agree. But society doesn't work like that, it isn't just about finding someone to make babies with, it's about finding a long term companion to build a life with (with or without offspring).
As for people needing to 'man up', that is BS. In our culture 'maning up' means engaging in physically violent activities (like football or hockey) to prove how 'tough' they are, and ignoring or minimalizing emotions and/or emotional expression because it's 'feminine'. You are right that we as a society need to have a conversation around what it means 'to be a man'.
The issue of 'can't get laid' lies in the idea that 'I want to have sex with that woman so that woman should have sex with me'. In fact, if you look into incel culture, even superficially, you'll find a lot of depression issues, but you'll also find the idea that women are not human beings. These people are upset that 'I let her talk to me about all her problems but she won't let me f*** her, I am a deprived individual!' As if 'I do a thing for a women, I get sex' is some kind of universal rule. The idea that I am entitled to sex with women regardless of what women want is at the core.
As for 'society refuses to do anything about it' well, I'd just as well society leave the issue alone if it means going with incel suggestions, like the government needs to redistribute women so that every man has a woman to have sex with. I am not even joking, this is a solution. As if women are a resource and not actual people. Google the word 'femoid'. Because using the term 'women' makes them seem too 'human'. Speaking as a woman (AFAB), all of that is incredibly frightening. The idea that I might be attacked for refusing a man's advances. And if you think it's BS, it certainly is not. There are whole reddit threads dedicated to this. These people do need help for issues like depression among other things, but enforcing entitlement to female bodies will not fix it. And that is the heart of a lot of the problem.
That being said, the original incel movement (back in the early 90's) was closer to what you're thinking of. It was full of people who wanted to be in a sexual
relationship (emphasis on relationship) to commiserate, support each other, and share advice and tips. Much like these forums. It got hijacked at some point by entitle guys who think they deserve to have sex with women, and women shouldn't say 'no'.
Again, read "Men Who Hate Women". It explains everything way better than I could.
11 Mar 2021, 6:46 am
