Are leftists the biggest hypocrites towards autistic issues?

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29 Oct 2019, 6:14 am

Margaret Sanger disagreed.


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29 Oct 2019, 5:49 pm

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The left actively supports legal abortion too. If anything they are even more pro-eugenics by that.


You can't mix eugenics with women's civil rights

Look, that's not actually a good argument.



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30 Oct 2019, 1:33 am

Hollywood_Guy wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
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The left actively supports legal abortion too. If anything they are even more pro-eugenics by that.


You can't mix eugenics with women's civil rights

Look, that's not actually a good argument.


Women have the final say over their body which overrides any anti-abortionist philosophical rant; but that this has nothing to do with eugenics where a woman learns their child has a disorder like downs and decides to terminate the baby



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30 Oct 2019, 1:58 am

cyberdad wrote:
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The left actively supports legal abortion too. If anything they are even more pro-eugenics by that.


You can't mix eugenics with women's civil rights

Look, that's not actually a good argument.


Women have the final say over their body which overrides any anti-abortionist philosophical rant; but that this has nothing to do with eugenics where a woman learns their child has a disorder like downs and decides to terminate the baby


Woman here. I do not have the right to kill my unborn child. It is a human being. Women have say over whether or not they get pregnant in the first place via abstinence, birth control, and choosing whether or not the sexual activity they engage in will result in conception, (bc piv isn't the only way of doing it lmao....)


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30 Oct 2019, 2:02 am

Whale_Tuune wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
Hollywood_Guy wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
Hollywood_Guy wrote:
The left actively supports legal abortion too. If anything they are even more pro-eugenics by that.


You can't mix eugenics with women's civil rights

Look, that's not actually a good argument.


Women have the final say over their body which overrides any anti-abortionist philosophical rant; but that this has nothing to do with eugenics where a woman learns their child has a disorder like downs and decides to terminate the baby


Woman here. I do not have the right to kill my unborn child. It is a human being. Women have say over whether or not they get pregnant in the first place via abstinence, birth control, and choosing whether or not the sexual activity they engage in will result in conception, (bc piv isn't the only way of doing it lmao....)


You have the right to exercise your own personal freedom...but don't have the right to coerce other women to keep their unborn fetus.



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30 Oct 2019, 4:21 am

Eugenics Can be positive i.e making humans the best they can or be or negative like in the nazi program in the 30s.

Unfortunatly the negative has massively eclipsed the positive giving it a bad name.

Eugenic principals happen every day for billions of years in both the animal and human world in the form of sexual attraction.

Nearly everyone starts to realise by pubity that straight girls are attracted to particular masculine traits and every girl knows what most guys go for. This is eugenics at work just that its so natural few realise it.



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30 Oct 2019, 4:31 am

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Nearly everyone starts to realise by pubity that straight girls are attracted to particular masculine traits and every girl knows what most guys go for. This is eugenics at work just that its so natural few realise it.


That's not eugenics...that's sexual selection



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09 Nov 2019, 10:27 pm

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Dude, many Leftists are hypocritical about everything.

Why should they be any different when it comes to autistic issues?

Nope. The left is concerned about community and feelings and proving a safety net for all. Just because YOU don't have empathy for anyone other than yourself doesn't mean the left is hypocritical.



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10 Nov 2019, 2:15 am

I think they can sometimes. Things like minimum wage and whatnot are really outdated and don't help people much at all.



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15 Nov 2019, 5:50 pm

It's the mainstream left you have a problem with, and I agree with you. The Democrats like to harp on about LGBT rights, and the rights of people of color, and don't get me wrong, they're important topics, but most of the time, they forget about people with mental disabilities like autism.

At least they aren't actively malicious to anyone who doesn't share their race, gender, or views, like conservatives are. I've seen many a conservative on the internet post ridiculous "memes" about how completely evil the left is, that the fact that people think the left do that kind of thing more is utterly ridiculous to me.

Conservatives might not care, but that isn't a good thing. You might be attracted to the sense of order and routine you might find in conservatism, but I'm willing to bet that the majority of them wouldn't accept you, instead seeing your autism as a dangerous deviance from their law and order, just like the way they see non-traditional gender roles, identities and other races.

The left has always been about the rights of the disadvantaged in our society, it's just that the mainstream has co-opted it to prevent people from being radicalized towards the left, and actually posing a threat to the rich elite and the status quo. Let's bring back the true left, and its support for not only LGBT rights, and the rights of people of color, but for the rights of people with mental disabilities, and the rights of workers - and I don't just mean a higher minimum wage.



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15 Nov 2019, 6:07 pm

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It's the mainstream left you have a problem with, and I agree with you. The Democrats like to harp on about LGBT rights, and the rights of people of color, and don't get me wrong, they're important topics, but most of the time, they forget about people with mental disabilities like autism.


The left are more likely to be the allies of the disabled and their families.



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15 Nov 2019, 10:16 pm

I have a leftist brother who calls me the "r-word" (won't say it here). I think he is a leftist anway. He was watching someone called "Sargon of akkad".


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16 Nov 2019, 11:37 am

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I have a leftist brother who calls me the "r-word" (won't say it here). I think he is a leftist anway. He was watching someone called "Sargon of akkad".


The youtuber Sargon of Akkad is an anti-feminist from the UK. Anti-feminism is generally not a leftist ideology. Leftism tends to be pro-feminism. If he was watching those videos, he is less likely to be a leftist, and more likely to hold conservative views.



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16 Nov 2019, 7:41 pm

Factcheck time....
Carl Benjamin is an anti-feminist British YouTuber with the online pseudonym Sargon of Akkad. He is a member of the UK Independence Party (UKIP) which is a far right party.

Not surprising really....it's the right who devalue disability (they value power and authority so that's not surprising) and openly use the r-word



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21 Nov 2019, 2:42 am

No ASD, disabled, or any marginal group should ever support socialists. The end result is universally to be as inclusive as possible which by definition spreads the wealth which in turn lowers standard of living. Which of course does literally the most damage to those unfortunate enough to be on the lowest standard of living more than any other fiscal class. I mean hate conservatives all you want. But I can't name a time in my life where I got a job or a loan from a poor person. We kind of need the rich, right wing sets the stage for self enrichment, left wing only really knows how to use a mob to tear it down. So yeah I respect the Thatcher and Trump types more than any of the free lunch groups out there. Going with logic rather emotive here. But yeah, hypocrisy is the least of the demo "progressive my arse" evils.


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21 Nov 2019, 3:25 am

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But I can't name a time in my life where I got a job or a loan from a poor person. We kind of need the rich, right wing sets the stage for self enrichment, left wing only really knows how to use a mob to tear it down.


Think about it....are rich people less likely to employ people because a democrat is in power?

People become wealthy by employing others to do work...they don't go into hibernation when a democrat gets elected...