Anybody else against the idea of a social credit score?

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09 Feb 2022, 6:17 pm

All this talk of social credit scores has me worried/mad for us. This would be an incredible injustice and discrimination against those of us who have social/communication disorders. Life is already an unfair popularity competition. There have been plenty of important discoveries and game changing ideas that originated from aspies. Some would even argue that MOST great discoveries were made by aspies. Einstein, Tesla, Musk, Zuckerburg, Steve Jobs... the list goes on and on.

It makes me very mad to think, that there is a possibility we could be further discriminated against, based on our ability to tickle peoples social testicles. When the fact is... People who are less bound by social urges/feelings are statistically more likely to reach "savant like" levels of intelligence. Usually because we spend all our time studying/doing what we love... as opposed to social drinking and other distracting behaviors.

Does anybody else worry about the legitimacy of a social credit score? How it will effect us?

Imagine:
What if you made an amazing discovery... like a new law of physics. Or a "Theory of everything."
Then. Due to you having a poor social credit score... a neuro-typical person was awarded the grant money instead of you.
(Likely for something dumb and less important. Like a new recycling plant lol. )

This may be a poor analogy but I think you get what I am saying. Life is hard enough for aspies... I am not looking forward to people trying to implement some "social credit score" that will only make our lives harder... and single us out more.

NTM... being told. "You can watch porn... but it will hurt your score."
OR " You can learn chemistry at home... but you will be considered suspicious and it will hurt your score"
OR If you google terms like,"how many bank robberies happen every year"... "guns"... "Alabama Hotpockets" ... "what is KNO3"... etc...etc...etc... It will hurt your score.

This would literally incentivize people to remain ignorant and uneducated in fear of hurting their social score. I am sry... but I love learning new things. I am also very STEAM oriented. So I constantly look up all kids of things. I am likely on every watch list in the country lol.

It all just seems like a very bad idea aimed at punishing the smart people in our communities.

Any thoughts peoples?


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09 Feb 2022, 7:56 pm

Most of us aren't savants and will never be savants, even with the best of opportunities. Thinking of us as above the fray is probably not productive. For one, there's a certain "get it done"-ness that we sometimes lack.

But yeah, the popular, charismatic, gregarious people do not need another advantage. And establishment power structures do not need any more tools to keep us obedient, misinformed and busy. The tech oligarchs, including Musk, scare me. Witness Gates working against the release of the vaccine patents. How's that for enlightened nerd thinking? /s



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09 Feb 2022, 8:47 pm

No more than I oppose the other type of credit score.


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10 Feb 2022, 3:31 am

Social credit score is probably inevitable, in fact you could argue we already have one called social media and cancel culture.

Of course the Chinese version goes a lot further and autistic people who are prone to having odd ball interests and poor social awareness will of course be automatically discriminated against.

Yes a bad idea very much against but an increasingly techno society means there is not much anyone can do about it.


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10 Feb 2022, 3:44 am

Against
as an autistic
as a human
as a right to exist doesn't depend on some artifical "intelligence"
in practise, if you were ahead you be punished too
as seen with controls, its an extra taxing-scheme, the "rules" get changed on sanitation, housing, insulation and only the last government scheme gets you to points.
insulation your house if done yourself(before the subvention-hype) no points for you, even now you pay full price for materials, but a gov- schemed blowjob gets points-- you do it yourself and you pay tax for the extraexpensive subs-d contractors, who probably were set up schemes to rake in subventions - after all.
same with the sanitation control, people who were "sustainabler" then the gov plans were XX-ed

there's never the sharpest tools on the legislating side of things- only an answerring tape



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10 Feb 2022, 3:59 am

Philip K. Dick wrote:
There will come a time when it isn't 'They're spying on me through my phone' anymore. Eventually, it will be 'My phone is spying on me'


Anthony Burgess wrote:
Is it better for a man to have chosen evil than to have good imposed upon him?


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12 Feb 2022, 3:57 am

"Social credit score" is mostly a euphemism for legally enforced political correctness (in both the original and modern meanings of the phrase), it's not literally about your social mores. That being said, they're a terrible idea and should be universally opposed.


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12 Feb 2022, 4:21 pm

carlos55 wrote:
Yes a bad idea very much against but an increasingly techno society means there is not much anyone can do about it.

Well, no, its power could be limited by legislation. It's important to consider what kind of legislation is needed here.

Some relevant articles about the nature of the problem, from somewhat different points of view:

- Uh-oh: Silicon Valley is building a Chinese-style social credit system by Mike Elgan, Fast Company, 08-26-2019
- Report: America Has a Social Credit System Much Like China’s, But it was built by Silicon Valley and not by the government, by Kristin Houser, Futurism, 8/27/2019
- Coming soon: America's own social credit system by Kristin Tate, The Hill, 08/03/2021.


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12 Feb 2022, 4:27 pm

Dox47 wrote:
"Social credit score" is mostly a euphemism for legally enforced political correctness (in both the original and modern meanings of the phrase), it's not literally about your social mores. That being said, they're a terrible idea and should be universally opposed.

That it could be used to enforce "political correctness" seems to be the one and only one concern that the more right winger commentators have about it.

However, other people have other concerns, as expressed in the first two of the three articles linked in my post above.


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12 Feb 2022, 6:02 pm

Social media is already being used. There is a video of the OPP's Provincial Liaison Teams. They monitored this woman's facebook where she commented about the freedom convoy protest and the PLT showed up at her door wanting to give her some handouts. She was super polite.




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12 Feb 2022, 6:54 pm

It's generally not a good idea to say anything controversial on a social media account that has your legal name on it. I would recommend always using a pseudonym, where possible, when discussing anything political or otherwise potentially controversial.

Documenting one's entire life online, the way a lot of folks routinely do these days, does have one advantage: If you're ever accused of a crime that took place someplace other than where you were on that day, you can easily prove your alibi. But I would suggest doing such documentation only on a private account viewable only to a handful of family members and/or close friends. Anything else is a de facto invitation to stalkers and worse.


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12 Feb 2022, 7:30 pm

It does seem that are tech gurus ogliarchs would like to invade and corrupt our privacy much further than they already have ! If in fact they have the idea that a social credit score has merit , Then by all means deport them to communist China, so they may enjoy that. Imho. :evil:


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12 Feb 2022, 7:40 pm

txfz1 wrote:
Social media is already being used. There is a video of the OPP's Provincial Liaison Teams. They monitored this woman's facebook where she commented about the freedom convoy protest and the PLT showed up at her door wanting to give her some handouts. She was super polite.




This reminds me of a defacto Nazi state of affairs . And you thought your social media accounts were a good thing.
Merely a tip of the iceberg, Just think your children and your children’s children, will consider this normal behavior
By the Gov/ Police in the future . Charter of Rights and Freedoms should prevent this type of behavior by Gov.agencies .


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