Any Primal/Paleo Eaters here?

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@coconapple- why did you only quote parts of what I said? Or did you only quote the parts that suited your argument better?

You might like the Weston A. Price diet principles.

http://www.westonaprice.org/


The Weston A Price way of eating is the same as the Paleo diet except that it also includes grains and beans and dairy. Basically it's an attempt to turn back the clock a couple centuries rather than millenia. Price was a dentist who travelled the world about 80 years ago investigating the exact thing you are wondering about: what happens to indigenous tribespeople suddenly exposed to processed food? Since he was a dentist, he focused a lot on how the processed food damages teeth. Since it was 80 years ago, microwave burritos hadn't been invented yet but cookies and cake had so he focused a lot on refined grains and sweet baked goods. He doesn't discuss indigestion (since microwave burritos hadn't been invented yet) but he did find rapid declines into Type II diabetes.

The Weston A Price Foundation is a good resource for people who are attracted to Paleo principles but would like to continue eating at least some grains, legumes and dairy.

I quote the part I'm responding to. Like the quote on this post. No ill intended.

It just bothered me that you misconstrued what I said.

Ah, I see. Which part?

I said how our ancestors probably did not live as long. So how do we know whether or not there diet is any good to go off of? You ignored that.

I made a clear distinction between processed foods and oatmeal or bread.You ignored the part I said about processed food and acted like eating oatmeal was just leading to the "awful american diet." A way to make what you said sound much better. Just do not acknowledge the parts that you do not know a good answer to.

Oooh, I see what you mean. I will answer your whole post. But first, I will say some things.

You seem to have read my previous reply as me attacking you, but instead, I meant to offer my opinion, and make you think; perhaps learn, after some friendly discussion. That's why I asked you these questions:

1) Is there any reason why humans should eat grains? Why should humans eat grains?
2) Any thoughts on my answer to "cavemen were probably not as lazy"?

If you don't mind I'd like your thoughts on these two points. After that, I'll be happy to reply to any questions.

Because I had to repeat myself I have a feeling you did not read my previous post at all
http://www.wrongplanet.net/postp4585355.html#4585355
If you're not going to read it (and I hope you will, like I said, it's fun to think and learn), I will not be replying any longer.

From now on, I assume that you will do your own research, if you care to reply (I won't think badly of you if you don't reply, no pressure. It's up to you). After you read my response to your complete post, I hope you will try to answer the questions I asked. Again, I only ask because I think it's fun to discuss things, and because it's fun to learn new things, I think. I don't mean disrespect.

Here is my reply to your whole post.

I had already addressed that part on another thread (to someone else), and I was really tired of that topic. It gets tiring repeating the same information to people over and over again when they could do their own research.
People didn't die because of diet (unless perhaps they starved), they died because: lack of healthcare, natural disasters, fighting, accidents, death at birth, death during birth, and so on.

Nowadays we usually have help after an accident (breaking an arm, for example), women have help during childbirth, any problems with a baby, we can go to to the doctor. And so on, and so on. This raises our life expectancy. I learned about these things in Geography class.

Here are some links, though I urge you to do your own research on the topic.
http://paleodiet.com/life-expectancy.htm
http://www.anth.ucsb.edu/faculty/gurven ... 007pdr.pdf
http://www.environnement.ens.fr/perso/c ... iamond.pdf

Even if you were to discount all this, if you look into currently living hunter gatherers, away from modern civilization, you will see there are many old people.


I already replied to this in the previous post.


I agree with you, so I didn't see the point in replying "I agree".


However, here is where I disagree with you, hence I quoted it. I did not misconstrue what you said. I was disagreeing with you. Here, I will repeat myself:

Bread and oatmeal ARE processed foods! Humans aren't meant to eat bread or oatmeal, that's what I was getting at.

Birds, rodents, some insects, and bacteria eat grains.
It's also sometimes used as animal fodder when they don't have access to green pasture or their natural habitat's food, but besides chickens, that is not their natural food either.
It was also used to prevent famine, for example, bread in europe, rice in asia.

But that doesn't mean it's what our bodies expect us to eat. Our digestive system is not meant for it.
Humans can eat vegetables and meat raw, if they wish. They can also cook it. However there is a huge deal of processing that must be done to grains (except white rice) to make it so that humans can tolerate it, unlike birds/rodents/insects/bacteria, we can't digest it in it's natural form.
Therefore, grain products meant for human consumption are processed foods.

By the way, you are not the first one to raise those questions. There are plenty of Paleo forums and blogs where the questions have been asked and answered. That's why I ask that you do your research.