Qigong (Chi enhancement in martial arts)- Possible?

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29 Mar 2011, 1:10 am

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Glad you are enjoying what you have seen so far.

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, I am not going to assume that all of the ideas being presented are completely true or all completely false.


Your approach is the best way to look at it. Even though I've looked at the videos and some relating research I'd be silly to claim each individual one to absolutely true. I think there is truth to them and that there are things we have not learnt to quantify, but as you said it is hard to say for certain.


One assertion from the video I found matched my experience: We only see what we expect to see. When out hiking, I have often gone a long time without seeing a particular type of flower, for example. When this type of flower is pointed out to me, I suddenly saw quite a few, and continued to see them after that.


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29 Mar 2011, 1:38 am

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Hmmmm I don't know what I am. I am possibly an Atheist, Spiritualist and Buddhist. I'd be silly to say I am a total Buddhist but I do find their beliefs interesting, because they make complete sense. Buddhists are Atheists anyway. They don't believe in a deity.

The basics of Buddhism teaches us to acknowledge the causes of suffering (desire, negativity, sadness etc) and shows us that we can retain inner peace by not negative events control our lives.

Better explanation:
.http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions ... hs_1.shtml


I like the concept of seeking a balance that Buddhism encourages. I read the Buddha Vacana a bit. Studying Buddhism may be one way of being an atheist without becoming too cynical and bitter, as some atheists seem to be.

The terminology gets fuzzy. When I call myself an agnostic, I mean I do not believe in a god, but I do not rule out the possibility. If God exists, I do not believe it is a sentient being, but instead, possibly would be defined as the principles that reality is ruled by. I think I read that Schopenhauer defined "God" in a similar way. When Einstein referred to "God" I think he was thinking along these lines.


I believe in no god but believe that if there is a being that is omnipresent they would not require us to worship them. Being omnipresent, the most ideal thing for them should surely be for living beings to retain a sense of inner peace.


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29 Mar 2011, 1:40 am

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It is really not. There is nothing mystical about it it is called reality.

Chi It is more or less a form of mediation and way of finding inner peace.

The breathing techniques and well controlled motor skills do help the mind to be at rest and also help the body repair itself.

Our minds do also affect the world around us. An example would be that researcher called Dr Masaru Emoto shown how our can minds affect the molecular structure of water. I would like to see the studies reproduced thoroughly as the reproductions have seen mixed results.

A small bit of writing about his work:
http://www.is-masaru-emoto-for-real.com/

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAvzsjcBtx8&feature=related[/youtube]

The work which went into this book also demonstrates that all matter, whether organic or not emits Radio Waves and that we can disturb certain radio frequencies which belong to certain virus, bacteria etc to reverse disease. It is possible, but not at all conclusive in any way that these Radio Waves are the same energy that we are becoming more in touch with through spiritual practices. It could be something different though.

I have this book in PDF format and I am happy to email anybody a copy of it: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Cure-All-Diseas ... 1890035017

Related video:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDdLNNqIFJo[/youtube]

There is also Kirlian Photography which demonstrates how our minds / moods affect the EM energy we emit.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kirlian_photography
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EnJghb8yk6c[/youtube]

Lastly, for Rocky here is a video on Thai Chi which may be worth watching. :) Hope that you enjoy it.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=co1uxOFJ8Mc[/youtube]

To sum it up the benefits of Chi. There are physical benefits which are produced through exercise, and more physical benefits on our minds and bodies by letting ourselves become attuned.


I like the fact that you included a link to an article about water crystals which concluded that Dr. Emoto's work is "pseudoscience for the masses." It is good to keep a healthy skepticism about such claims. The article advocates more scientific double blind tests to test Dr. Emoto's theories, especially since (according to the article) Dr. Emoto didn't follow these standard procedures himself. To paraphrase Dr. Carl Sagan: One should keep an open mind, but not to such an extent that one's brains fall out.


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29 Mar 2011, 1:49 am

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I like the fact that you included a link to an article about water crystals which concluded that Dr. Emoto's work is "pseudoscience for the masses." It is good to keep a healthy skepticism about such claims. The article advocates more scientific double blind tests to test Dr. Emoto's theories, especially since (according to the article) Dr. Emoto didn't follow these standard procedures himself. To paraphrase Dr. Carl Sagan: One should keep an open mind, but not to such an extent that one's brains fall out.


I think that his work might be true but it too hard to say for certain. I'd like it to be studied further and further by a variety of people in a variety of ways.


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29 Mar 2011, 4:19 am

PatrickNeville wrote:
It is really not. There is nothing mystical about it it is called reality.

Chi It is more or less a form of mediation and way of finding inner peace.

The breathing techniques and well controlled motor skills do help the mind to be at rest and also help the body repair itself.

Our minds do also affect the world around us. An example would be that researcher called Dr Masaru Emoto shown how our can minds affect the molecular structure of water. I would like to see the studies reproduced thoroughly as the reproductions have seen mixed results.

A small bit of writing about his work:
http://www.is-masaru-emoto-for-real.com/

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAvzsjcBtx8&feature=related[/youtube]

The work which went into this book also demonstrates that all matter, whether organic or not emits Radio Waves and that we can disturb certain radio frequencies which belong to certain virus, bacteria etc to reverse disease. It is possible, but not at all conclusive in any way that these Radio Waves are the same energy that we are becoming more in touch with through spiritual practices. It could be something different though.

I have this book in PDF format and I am happy to email anybody a copy of it: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Cure-All-Diseas ... 1890035017

Related video:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDdLNNqIFJo[/youtube]

There is also Kirlian Photography which demonstrates how our minds / moods affect the EM energy we emit.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kirlian_photography
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EnJghb8yk6c[/youtube]

Lastly, for Rocky here is a video on Thai Chi which may be worth watching. :) Hope that you enjoy it.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=co1uxOFJ8Mc[/youtube]

To sum it up the benefits of Chi. There are physical benefits which are produced through exercise, and more physical benefits on our minds and bodies by letting ourselves become attuned.


I just finished watching the video about Thai Chi that Patrick posted the link to. I found it interesting and worth viewing. I suspect many will lose patience for this hour long presentation. I found another version of the same lecture that seems (so far, I only sampled it) to be more fast paced. Link follows: [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ud2KAHIUn2w[/youtube] The part I found most interesting in Patrick's video of Dr. Lam is when he actually gave an introductory lesson in Thai Chi. This happens about 40 minutes into his video. Dr. Lam does answer a question about Qigong that his version of Thai Chi uses it to accomplish what it does. Specifically, among other things, health benefits and mood enhancement.


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29 Mar 2011, 4:23 am

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I like the fact that you included a link to an article about water crystals which concluded that Dr. Emoto's work is "pseudoscience for the masses." It is good to keep a healthy skepticism about such claims. The article advocates more scientific double blind tests to test Dr. Emoto's theories, especially since (according to the article) Dr. Emoto didn't follow these standard procedures himself. To paraphrase Dr. Carl Sagan: One should keep an open mind, but not to such an extent that one's brains fall out.


I think that his work might be true but it too hard to say for certain. I'd like it to be studied further and further by a variety of people in a variety of ways.


His work is certainly interesting, and food for thought. Years ago, before man learned about the full electro-magnetic spectrum, everyone assumed that what we saw was the only reality.


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29 Mar 2011, 1:30 pm

Rocky wrote:
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Rocky wrote:
I like the fact that you included a link to an article about water crystals which concluded that Dr. Emoto's work is "pseudoscience for the masses." It is good to keep a healthy skepticism about such claims. The article advocates more scientific double blind tests to test Dr. Emoto's theories, especially since (according to the article) Dr. Emoto didn't follow these standard procedures himself. To paraphrase Dr. Carl Sagan: One should keep an open mind, but not to such an extent that one's brains fall out.


I think that his work might be true but it too hard to say for certain. I'd like it to be studied further and further by a variety of people in a variety of ways.


His work is certainly interesting, and food for thought. Years ago, before man learned about the full electro-magnetic spectrum, everyone assumed that what we saw was the only reality.


I think there is much we still have to learn and if we are to ever fully understand these types of "lifeforces" energies or whatever people like to call them we may need to do a lot more investigating.


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05 Apr 2011, 9:08 pm

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I took some lessons in Kung-Fu and was told about Qi. I am a skeptic, but I try to keep an open mind in general. I also never assume that anything is completely "black and white." Some of the theory might be true without all of it being true. Here is a link about the subject.

Qigong Wikipedia

I have felt something unusual during martial arts exercises. I felt chills up my spine, and a boost in energy and mood elevation. It could be a placebo effect, but the placebo effect can have its benefits. Any thoughts or experiences?


Could it be an adrenaline rush?


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10 Apr 2011, 8:38 am

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Rocky wrote:
I took some lessons in Kung-Fu and was told about Qi. I am a skeptic, but I try to keep an open mind in general. I also never assume that anything is completely "black and white." Some of the theory might be true without all of it being true. Here is a link about the subject.

Qigong Wikipedia

I have felt something unusual during martial arts exercises. I felt chills up my spine, and a boost in energy and mood elevation. It could be a placebo effect, but the placebo effect can have its benefits. Any thoughts or experiences?


Could it be an adrenaline rush?


Thanks for the feedback. I don't think so. I have had episodes (both pleasant and unpleasant) that included adrenaline, but the feeling was very different. These episodes included car accidents and thrill sports such as sport parachuting.

It was exciting after I experienced the chills, etc. but in a different way. It was more about the intellectual puzzle to understand what just happened.


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12 Apr 2011, 9:26 am

My teacher teaches Qigong and Tai Chi hand in hand, we've historically done Qigong as a warm up. Its good for toning, circulation, and breathing,, particularly when we've taken something like a five or seven pound weight and held that out far in our exercises.


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