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24 Mar 2023, 8:09 pm

I've had therapy sessions for this but it didn't really work, as I missed a few sessions because of my sleep trouble and needing more sleep in the morning so having to cancel some appointments to catch up on lost sleep.

During the therapy sessions I did attend, the therapist was helpful and all that but a lot of bad situations have happened to me in public over the last 13 years that are small and stupid to some people but are just contributing factors to anxiety for me, so I really need to have like 3 consecutive hours a week of therapy to get to the bottom of everything unique that has ever happened to me in public (as my brain can't forget it) and really come up with answers to it all that is a fair balance between reality and compassion; not too pragmatic but not too clichéd. Just lots and lots of intense therapy.

People bang on about exposure but that never works for me. I used to always go out in public even when agoraphobic but the more I went out in public the more anxious I became, and it only took one woman to stare at me that made me want to go home and hide away. I feel safe and happy indoors where nobody can see me or judge me.

I did join an online support group on this but I found that just made my anxiety WORSE, so I quit. I thought people there would be more understanding but they just gave unsolicited responses that weren't helpful and just increased my anxiety about going out even more.

I just feel angry at myself because all this began when I was 19 and I thought after all this time I would have grown out of it (not saying agoraphobia is immature or anything, I'm just saying that people change as they get older and I thought I would). But it seems to have gotten worse, especially since lockdown. I don't even get buses alone any more, and from about the age of 17 to about 28 I practically lived on buses (not literally, I just got on buses a lot and was very confident even though I was still self-conscious and socially anxious).


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24 Mar 2023, 8:28 pm

I had something similar where I just only wanted to be at home and play video games or do other projects when I was a teenager.
Probably due to bad experiences.



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24 Mar 2023, 8:53 pm

i like to be awake at night so i can go out with no one around



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24 Mar 2023, 9:04 pm

I get even more scared going out at night because I don't like the drunks and druggies and obnoxious teens that lurk about. My city is renowned for such crime at night and people are advised not to walk out alone at night.


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25 Mar 2023, 6:07 am

If this were 14 years ago, maybe. I was 14, going 15. And yes it's due to negative experiences.

At that age, I quit going to school, stayed at the room, online for over 15 hours a day in the internet, and that lasted for at least 2 years.

Except reckless and angier.
And having thoughts of solving fears and anxieties in a violent way instead of avoiding.


Today, I cannot relate.
But still have the same thoughts of solving 'fear' if it ever comes up. With perpetrators acting upon perpetrating as a chance and 'reason' for me to do violence.


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25 Mar 2023, 6:08 am

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I've had therapy sessions for this but it didn't really work, as I missed a few sessions because of my sleep trouble and needing more sleep in the morning so having to cancel some appointments to catch up on lost sleep.

During the therapy sessions I did attend, the therapist was helpful and all that but a lot of bad situations have happened to me in public over the last 13 years that are small and stupid to some people but are just contributing factors to anxiety for me, so I really need to have like 3 consecutive hours a week of therapy to get to the bottom of everything unique that has ever happened to me in public (as my brain can't forget it) and really come up with answers to it all that is a fair balance between reality and compassion; not too pragmatic but not too clichéd. Just lots and lots of intense therapy.

People bang on about exposure but that never works for me. I used to always go out in public even when agoraphobic but the more I went out in public the more anxious I became, and it only took one woman to stare at me that made me want to go home and hide away. I feel safe and happy indoors where nobody can see me or judge me.

I did join an online support group on this but I found that just made my anxiety WORSE, so I quit. I thought people there would be more understanding but they just gave unsolicited responses that weren't helpful and just increased my anxiety about going out even more.

I just feel angry at myself because all this began when I was 19 and I thought after all this time I would have grown out of it (not saying agoraphobia is immature or anything, I'm just saying that people change as they get older and I thought I would). But it seems to have gotten worse, especially since lockdown. I don't even get buses alone any more, and from about the age of 17 to about 28 I practically lived on buses (not literally, I just got on buses a lot and was very confident even though I was still self-conscious and socially anxious).

I'm much the same, and I actually live on buses lately, they make me feel so good, i ride them across town just cause it calms me since it's included in the price now, I got a subscription.

People are generally mean and stats show people massively get online here just to bully, which is not only confined to the online, pricks be pricks to old people, singled young people and try to dominate seats in the bus, lift people off of them. 8O Since I take a camera with me, many people have been unlike themselves and services go smoothly and without issues. They smile and everything lol.


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25 Mar 2023, 1:19 pm

Rexi wrote:
People are generally mean and stats show people massively get online here just to bully, which is not only confined to the online, pricks be pricks to old people, singled young people and try to dominate seats in the bus, lift people off of them. 8O Since I take a camera with me, many people have been unlike themselves and services go smoothly and without issues. They smile and everything lol.


which stats out of interest?



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31 Mar 2023, 4:04 pm

I hate when people tell me that exposing myself to the outdoors will cure me. No, it doesn't necessarily work like that. I used to walk to work every day but felt anxious about it every time I left the front door, and it didn't lessen the agoraphobia.

I think exposure therapy only works for some people depending on the cause of their agoraphobia and what triggers it. For me the cause of agoraphobia is past experiences (such as bullying and being singled out or targeted by strangers) and having scopophobia. Each time I feel or catch another female or child staring at me it sets me back. Exposing myself to judgement does not make me become immune to scopophobia. I've been having this issue for years even though I used to always go out. It never cured me. It just exposed me more to situations I feared, which then fed my agoraphobia.

And since 2020 when the lockdowns began I have lost my confidence even more. Since then the buses have changed and my favourite stores have closed down.

If I have been on annual leave from work and haven't been out for a few days I know that I have to get some fresh air and exercise, so I usually take one of my pet rats out with me (the one that is very tamed and not nervous as long as he's in my arms). This distracts me from my anxieties, and when people pass they actually have something to look at so I don't mind them looking. They either smile or look away. People like animals, so when you have an animal with you (even if it's unusual) that causes me less anxiety when people look at me. Don't ask why, but it works.


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31 Mar 2023, 4:08 pm

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People are generally mean and stats show people massively get online here just to bully, which is not only confined to the online, pricks be pricks to old people, singled young people and try to dominate seats in the bus, lift people off of them. 8O Since I take a camera with me, many people have been unlike themselves and services go smoothly and without issues. They smile and everything lol.


which stats out of interest?

Stats of the country I live in per continent.


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01 Apr 2023, 7:23 am

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I hate when people tell me that exposing myself to the outdoors will cure me. No, it doesn't necessarily work like that. I used to walk to work every day but felt anxious about it every time I left the front door, and it didn't lessen the agoraphobia.

I think exposure therapy only works for some people depending on the cause of their agoraphobia and what triggers it. For me the cause of agoraphobia is past experiences (such as bullying and being singled out or targeted by strangers) and having scopophobia. Each time I feel or catch another female or child staring at me it sets me back. Exposing myself to judgement does not make me become immune to scopophobia. I've been having this issue for years even though I used to always go out. It never cured me. It just exposed me more to situations I feared, which then fed my agoraphobia.

Same for me, bullying has been and is present in my life still, wherever I go I'm a sure target. I don't have a lot in common with most people, and they don't fully grasp the concept of differences in a need to control and continue the linear boredom of the world and the blindness of their indoctrination. Zombie apocalypse outside, much?

I also hate eyes on me and because of my quirks and my eccentricity these people stare, and when I dont look into their eyes they tend to look more at me, and I dislike looking into peoples eyes and find it provoking much like dogs feel about it.

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And since 2020 when the lockdowns began I have lost my confidence even more. Since then the buses have changed and my favourite stores have closed down.

If I have been on annual leave from work and haven't been out for a few days I know that I have to get some fresh air and exercise, so I usually take one of my pet rats out with me (the one that is very tamed and not nervous as long as he's in my arms). This distracts me from my anxieties, and when people pass they actually have something to look at so I don't mind them looking. They either smile or look away. People like animals, so when you have an animal with you (even if it's unusual) that causes me less anxiety when people look at me. Don't ask why, but it works.

I have favorite stores and favorite items in these stores that can't be in others, that must really be heartbreaking, also because of the issues people have with change.


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01 Apr 2023, 7:49 am

Also people engage in this behaviour, sometimes in public:

One of the most insidious and damaging of the behaviors of the emotional abuser is the “crazy”-making behavior. Not only does the emotional abuser often accuse his victim of literally being “crazy” or gaslight to try to trick the abused into thinking she must be “crazy,” but he actually uses what we call “crazy”-making behaviors, which have the same effect.

“Crazy”-making is not necessarily conscious on the part of the emotional abuser, but it is often very effective in intimidating the recipient into wondering where she or he may find the logic—where might she or he do something practical that will offer solutions to the problems in this relationship. As we can see here, however, problem solving is not really an option with “crazy”-making. No, the emotional abuser, like any other abuser, wants control, not solutions.


That is why you should be wearing what they want (some mothers like mine), you should be of a certain belief, and you should be like them, otherwise, you're "crazy."


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02 Apr 2023, 1:17 pm

One Dr told me I had agoraphobia and not Asperger's. I don't like being around people. People have always criticized me everywhere I go because I'm not social. Even working for USAF people were like that. People are nasty.



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02 Apr 2023, 5:54 pm

Today when I was in the car at traffic lights I saw this man walking fast with stiff arms and shouting, singing and laughing manically to himself. Now that's enough to draw attention. You've got to sort of look at him because you don't quite know what he's capable of doing, and also it's quite entertaining to people. But me walking along, a female (in this country females aren't so renowned for raping, mugging or murdering random people in the street, unless they're in a gang but not so much when they're on their own), who always goes out looking presentable (not looking like an unkempt ''crazy cat lady'' sort of image), and not stimming with my hands or talking to myself or laughing manically or anything else that catches attention, I don't really expect to have any stares at all. I mean if you were in a passing car and you saw a lady walking along looking or acting no different to any other lady walking along, just minding her business and not doing anything to attract attention, would you go ''oh look at that weird lady, she looks really weird''? Or would I just be one out of a thousand others? This guy I saw today, however, did stand out and I thought he was speeding up his walk to pounce on another pedestrian or something. I'm not saying people who walk fast are worthy of attention, because I see lots of people walking fast, but because he was being manic as well as walking fast then it made me feel more uneasy.


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13 Apr 2023, 2:04 am

I have agoraphobia too and need to take meds (benzos) before I leave the house. (and i'm seriously lucky to have a dr. who will prescribe that). Otherwise I may get into a panic and decide to skip on something important. (or panic while out - not fun)

Exposure doesn't work for me either. I went to university for 7 years, and I was just as terrified on the last day as on the first. (or sometimes MORE - I feel that people, classmates etc have more experience of me and so hate me more at the end vs a "clean slate" on day one.) But therapists and people in general believe so strongly in exposure for anything and everything, I dont think they believe me, or they think i'm lazy or did it wrong. This is one of the reasons I've refused therapy for years.

Mine is based more around the presence, or potential presence, of other people. For example I can drive to the park and go on an isolated walk in nature, but I cannot walk down my street because there are sometimes cars and people in the houses who could potentially look out the window and see me. I feel very vulnerable and "on display," and have dissociated even when just going to the mail box.

It sucks.



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13 Apr 2023, 1:13 pm

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I have agoraphobia too and need to take meds (benzos) before I leave the house. (and i'm seriously lucky to have a dr. who will prescribe that). Otherwise I may get into a panic and decide to skip on something important. (or panic while out - not fun)

Exposure doesn't work for me either. I went to university for 7 years, and I was just as terrified on the last day as on the first. (or sometimes MORE - I feel that people, classmates etc have more experience of me and so hate me more at the end vs a "clean slate" on day one.) But therapists and people in general believe so strongly in exposure for anything and everything, I dont think they believe me, or they think i'm lazy or did it wrong. This is one of the reasons I've refused therapy for years.

Mine is based more around the presence, or potential presence, of other people. For example I can drive to the park and go on an isolated walk in nature, but I cannot walk down my street because there are sometimes cars and people in the houses who could potentially look out the window and see me. I feel very vulnerable and "on display," and have dissociated even when just going to the mail box.

It sucks.


Yes, it's exasperating when people say that exposure will help. No it doesn't. It feeds it. It's like expecting someone with a nut allergy to eat nuts and after a few nuts they'll be cured. It doesn't work like that.

My agoraphobia has built up over the years from different factors that I have had to deal with in public by strangers.

I can name a few:-

1. Being bullied and sexually harassed on my way home from school by kids who I didn't know (as in they weren't in my class or even in my grade)

2. Kids randomly targeting me for cheap jokes (again not kids I knew, just kids I passed in the hallways at school)

3. Having random teenagers making odd noises at me in the street (this doesn't happen really any more but it used to a lot when I was younger)

4. Slipping over on icy sidewalks and having people laughing at me (this also triggered a fear of snow)

5. Being in uncomfortable, awkward, and unexpected situations (this thread is one example viewtopic.php?f=7&t=392099&p=8662805&hilit=+Sitting+in+seat+bus#p8662805). Yes it may sound trivial but it is just one factor of many, not actual causation

6. Being falsely accused of stealing and being shown up in front of lots of people in the street, most embarrassing thing ever to have happen to me. Also these days I seem to have store alarms going off when I walk out (even though I have paid), and it's extremely distressing for me because of the way it shows you up

7. Being stared at by strangers and laughed at

8. Being told online that everyone will notice my anxiety so inevitably will stare and judge (that just made my anxiety worse)

9. Being treated differently by strangers (having people glaring at me when I am friendly, but the same people are friendly to others who I'm with even if they don't know them)

There's probably more but I can't think of any more at the moment. When I was preteen (around 10-12 years old) I used to think that people won't judge you if they don't know you, so I'd be myself in public and my relatives would lecture me about it, like say "people are looking!", "what would people think?", "you're so embarrassing!", "don't do that, people will think you're weird!", "don't shout that out loud!", and so on. It took a few years but it sunk in eventually, except it's done the opposite - made me more afraid of what strangers think of me than anyone I know.

Now that it's been drummed into me that strangers do judge, and that they do notice everything. So that is why I'm afraid of going out. I have been forcing myself to go out all these years but since the lockdowns I've sort of lost my confidence and I've diagnosed myself with agoraphobia.

Like you, I always think that if I step outside to take the trash out or something, at least one person will be watching me from their window. It's like as soon as I step outside, all eyes are on me, and that I'm just as noticeable as a freak with 3 heads.

So although I don't have any physical deformities, I could totally relate to the little boy with a deformed face in the story Wonder.


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13 Apr 2023, 1:21 pm

I've not read all this thread but a thought did cross my mind about this.

If you have agoraphobia and you are managing to go out and work and live your life (even though it is difficult) then you might be seen as a "functioning agoraphobic".


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