I don't feel welcome in mainstream LGBT spaces

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BlueIris24
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15 Apr 2019, 12:03 am

I don't feel welcome in mainstream LGBT spaces because of my political beliefs and values. From what I've seen, a majority of LGBT communities are radical left, and they try to censor/shut down anybody whose opinions don't fall in line. Believe in free speech for all? You're a racist/white supremacist! Voted for Trump? You're a horrible, disgusting POS that deserves to jump off a bridge! Dare to criticize Islam in any shape or form using actual facts and evidence? You're an Islamophobe!

Even though I'm not a big fan of either political party, my beliefs on certain issues tend to fall more in line with Republicans than Democrats. I believe in gun rights, freedom to speak without government-enforced censorship or punishment, and closed borders. I'm all for gay marriage and LGBT rights. Even though I don't agree with Trump on certain issues (eg: the environment and animal rights), I do believe he is doing a good job so far on the issues that I do agree with him on.



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15 Apr 2019, 8:50 am

Is is possible to transgenders to get together in a public place if you don't recognize the existence of transgenders?



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15 Apr 2019, 9:30 am

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I don't feel welcome in mainstream LGBT spaces because of my political beliefs and values. From what I've seen, a majority of LGBT communities are radical left, and they try to censor/shut down anybody whose opinions don't fall in line. Believe in free speech for all? You're a racist/white supremacist! Voted for Trump? You're a horrible, disgusting POS that deserves to jump off a bridge! Dare to criticize Islam in any shape or form using actual facts and evidence? You're an Islamophobe!

What you said reminds me of what my older sister, who's gay, would say. She doesn't really like the idea of LGBT pride because those who do get involved often have labels forced on them, even if these labels don't necessarily match the person's actual sexuality. I myself am ace, but like my older sister, I don't want to get involved with pride because those people are a bit too radical.


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15 Apr 2019, 10:06 am

BTDT wrote:
Is is possible to transgenders to get together in a public place if you don't recognize the existence of transgenders?


Well, I do believe that trans people exist, of course. And I believe they're entitled to the same civil and human rights that anyone else is (eg: being out in public without being physically attacked or assaulted). Other people might not agree with transgenderism, but most reasonable people aren't going to disagree that trans people have the same rights as every other American.



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15 Apr 2019, 4:49 pm

I'm old enough to remember when there were very few LGBTQ spaces in most locations, let alone anything considered "mainstream". We were perpetual outsiders who were routinely despised wherever we went. There were some good opportunities to gather but without an internet or access to LGBTQ media they were very hard to find.

I can understand why someone wouldn't feel welcome in a space where people largely hold views that conflict with yours. That's kind of how the world was for most LGBTQ people just 30 years ago, wherever we went.

From what I've witnessed & lived through, it's understandable why many of our spaces are left-leaning. Much of the advancement of our rights is a result of activists and advocates within Democratic or left-leaning circles. This really became the case during the early years of the AIDS pandemic. Right-leaning non-queer folks didn't even want to acknowledge our existence, let alone that many of our brothers were dying all around us. It was largely lefties (but not always) who helped move policies and people towards seeing us as human beings, worthy of being treated. It was largely righties (but not always) who opposed any progress toward treatment or civil rights equality.

The first media mention identifying the pandemic occurred in June of 1981. Ronald Reagan, who became President in January of 1981, refused to even mention AIDS publicly until 1985. By that point, more than 400,000 people in the USA had become infected and between 8,000 and 10,000 people in the USA had died from AIDS. The largest percentage of those deaths were among gay men.

I think for me the most important thing to recognize is that we're not a monolithic community. I've met many gay Republicans (for instance) over the years. Pretty much any political or social viewpoint you can think of is held by some LGBTQ people somewhere.

These days I miss the LGBT coffeehouses of my younger days. They were more quiet, had no alcohol, and were open earlier than most gay bars. Sure, there weren't as many people in coffeehouses than in the bars, but at least you could hear when someone was talking with you. And coffeehouses didn't have all the flashing dance floor lighting, either.


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15 Apr 2019, 5:23 pm

how true is the climate change studies ?

lets say its true and actually somewhat unpredictable.. if within a few years everything acclerates by then florida and louisiana will be all buried in underwater and our demographics moves from .. right now we have seventy-year olds in crutches and wheelchairs at the poll stations wanting to make america great again or seventy-year olds who want to make sure their trust funds go smoothly to their children.. it just takes probably less than a decade to see millennials and gen z taking over the House at least, having that radical GND trying to fix the underwater florida and louisiana , or idk transform it into a underwater city like a functioning modern day atlantis idk.



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15 Apr 2019, 7:06 pm

ApricitiousRory wrote:
I'm old enough to remember when there were very few LGBTQ spaces in most locations, let alone anything considered "mainstream". We were perpetual outsiders who were routinely despised wherever we went. There were some good opportunities to gather but without an internet or access to LGBTQ media they were very hard to find.

I can understand why someone wouldn't feel welcome in a space where people largely hold views that conflict with yours. That's kind of how the world was for most LGBTQ people just 30 years ago, wherever we went.

From what I've witnessed & lived through, it's understandable why many of our spaces are left-leaning. Much of the advancement of our rights is a result of activists and advocates within Democratic or left-leaning circles. This really became the case during the early years of the AIDS pandemic. Right-leaning non-queer folks didn't even want to acknowledge our existence, let alone that many of our brothers were dying all around us. It was largely lefties (but not always) who helped move policies and people towards seeing us as human beings, worthy of being treated. It was largely righties (but not always) who opposed any progress toward treatment or civil rights equality.

The first media mention identifying the pandemic occurred in June of 1981. Ronald Reagan, who became President in January of 1981, refused to even mention AIDS publicly until 1985. By that point, more than 400,000 people in the USA had become infected and between 8,000 and 10,000 people in the USA had died from AIDS. The largest percentage of those deaths were among gay men.

I think for me the most important thing to recognize is that we're not a monolithic community. I've met many gay Republicans (for instance) over the years. Pretty much any political or social viewpoint you can think of is held by some LGBTQ people somewhere.

These days I miss the LGBT coffeehouses of my younger days. They were more quiet, had no alcohol, and were open earlier than most gay bars. Sure, there weren't as many people in coffeehouses than in the bars, but at least you could hear when someone was talking with you. And coffeehouses didn't have all the flashing dance floor lighting, either.


I am always going to be thankful for the hard work that the activists put in to ensure that we had the rights we have now. I definitely won't take that away from them.

I want to clarify that I am not against left-wing politics entirely. I myself hold some left-wing views, as I'm all for helping the environment and protecting animals. I'm also for LGBT and minority rights. The problem that I feel that the vast majority of LGBT communities have become very far-left, and they don't tolerate any dissenting beliefs or views. They'll try to shut down any form of discussion, or bully you into submission. If you disagree with them, you're basically targeted, and they'll try to force you out.



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15 Apr 2019, 7:16 pm

That is just politics today. Forget trying to change anyone's mind.
Better to just seek out those who think like you. Find friends online and travel to meet up, if you can afford the cost.



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16 Apr 2019, 4:06 am

BlueIris24 wrote:
ApricitiousRory wrote:
The problem that I feel that the vast majority of LGBT communities have become very far-left, and they don't tolerate any dissenting beliefs or views.


If they are really 'far-left' (as in actual far-left, not merely the vague sense of the term) then it certainly doesn't show in election results. When was the last time the Socialist Party reached 1% of the national popular vote?



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16 Apr 2019, 8:25 am

The behaviour is common to far left, far right and indeed all extremist beliefs.



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JD12345 wrote:
BlueIris24 wrote:
ApricitiousRory wrote:
The problem that I feel that the vast majority of LGBT communities have become very far-left, and they don't tolerate any dissenting beliefs or views.


If they are really 'far-left' (as in actual far-left, not merely the vague sense of the term) then it certainly doesn't show in election results. When was the last time the Socialist Party reached 1% of the national popular vote?


Plenty of them do believe in socialism, though.