Anti-trans bigots: "Puberty blockers are child abuse"

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12 Jan 2020, 1:54 am

Bradleigh wrote:
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https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/?term=%22puberty+blockers%22


It seems that I unfortunately cannot read the papers without getting a paid subscription, which don't seem to be cheap.

But there does seem to be a number of papers that aim for a child's personal choice to get puberty-blocking treatment, even against the wishes of their own parents.



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12 Jan 2020, 2:48 pm

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The Leftist/Liberal Media won't cover facts like those presented on LifeSiteNews because those facts simply don't fit the Leftist/Liberal opinion of what they believe should be true.

Cool conspiracy theory, Fnord. Tell us more! What is the government not telling us about 9/11? Could Tupac Shakur still be alive? And did NASA astronauts really land on the moon?



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13 Jan 2020, 11:29 am

Quick heads up friends, you are talking about me and people close to me when discussing Trans* matters, so imagine I am there in your discussions and hearing your views in person...

With us only being a small part of the total population, it can be very easy to get into an involved Hypothetical discussion without the chance to hear first person testimony to add to the information.

Very good work showing that "Pressure / Lobby Group" naming itself in a way it could be mistaken for a legit professional body.



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13 Jan 2020, 7:42 pm

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Very good work showing that "Pressure / Lobby Group" naming itself in a way it could be mistaken for a legit professional body.


*Kneels and lowers head*
Yes my lord.

I was saying earlier that we needed more people in this discussion that have first hand experience.


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13 Jan 2020, 8:58 pm

Can't say that I have "first hand experience." Don't use that against me :P



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14 Jan 2020, 10:24 am

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They're not. I have no doubt they're actually life savers in many cases.

I remember [my first] puberty. It was horrific. Utterly horrific. Imagine being taken over by an unstoppable force that slowly and torturously reshapes you into the opposite of who you are on the inside. Imagine looking into the mirror, seeing yourself steadily disappear, slowly being replaced by something that is the opposite of you, and being told: "It's all good. You're turning into a man!"

Anything that saves today's trans kids from going through that ordeal is a godsend in my eyes.


I remember "weaping" when I first got a period. It wasn't hormonal. How you described it in your post was true for me too but in a slightly different sense. Now, that I no longer have a cycle, I feel like "me" again. I feel nice and dry under the ACE umbrella. Warm too. :heart:



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14 Jan 2020, 10:36 am

Pubertal blockers for transgender and gender diverse youth
By Mayo Clinic Staff - 2019/08/16

Transgender and gender diverse children might choose to temporarily suppress puberty through the use of prescription medications called pubertal blockers.  But deciding to get this treatment is a big step.

Here's what you need to know about the pubertal blocker medication known as Gonadotropin-Releasing Hormone (GnRH) analogues, including the benefits, side effects and long-term effects.

What do pubertal blockers do?

Puberty's physical changes can cause intense distress for many gender-nonconforming adolescents.  When taken regularly, GnRH analogues suppress the body's release of sex hormones, including testosterone and estrogen, during puberty.  These hormones affect:

• Primary sex characteristics.  These are the sexual organs present at birth, including the penis, scrotum and testicles and the uterus, ovaries and vagina.

• Secondary sex characteristics.  These are the physical changes in the body that typically appear during puberty.  Examples include breast development and growth of facial hair.

• In those identified as male at birth, GnRH analogues decrease the growth of facial and body hair, prevent voice deepening, and limit the growth of genitalia, but only as long as the GnRH is being taken.

• In those identified as female at birth, treatment limits or stops breast development and delays or stops menstruation, but only as long as the GnRH is being taken.

What are the benefits of use of pubertal blockers?

Gender dysphoria is the feeling of discomfort or distress that might accompany a difference between experienced or expressed gender and sex assigned at birth.

For children who have gender dysphoria, suppressing puberty might:

• Improve mental well-being
• Reduce depression and anxiety
• Improve social interactions and integration with other kids
• Eliminate the need for future surgeries
• Reduce thoughts or actions related to self-harm

However, puberty suppression alone might not ease gender dysphoria.

What are the criteria for use of pubertal blockers?

To begin using pubertal blockers, a child must:

• Show a long-lasting and intense pattern of gender nonconformity or gender dysphoria
• Have gender dysphoria that began or worsened at the start of puberty
• Address any psychological, medical or social problems that could interfere with treatment
• Provide informed consent

Particularly when a child hasn't reached the age of medical consent, parents or other caretakers or guardians must consent to the treatment and support the adolescent through the treatment process.

Are the changes permanent?

Use of GnRH analogues doesn't cause permanent changes in an adolescent's body.  Instead, it pauses puberty, providing time to determine if a child's gender identity is long lasting.  It also gives children and their families time to think about or plan for the psychological, medical, developmental, social and legal issues ahead.

If an adolescent child stops taking GnRH analogues, puberty will resume.

What is the typical treatment time frame?

For most children, puberty begins around ages 10 to 11, though some start earlier.  The effect of pubertal blockers depends on when a child begins to take the medication.  GnRH analogue treatment can begin at the start of puberty to delay secondary sex characteristics.  In slightly later stages of puberty, the treatment could be used to stop menstruation or erections or to prevent further development of undesired secondary sex characteristics.

While most children take the medication for a few years, every child is different.  After suppressing puberty for a few years, your child might decide to stop hormone therapy or pursue other hormone treatments.

How is the medication given?

GnRH analogue treatments for children are prescribed, administered and monitored by a pediatric endocrinologist.  The medication is typically given as injections, either monthly or every three months, or through an implant placed under the skin of the upper arm.  The implant typically needs to be replaced every 12 months.

While taking pubertal blockers, your child will have regular blood tests to monitor the medication's effectiveness.  Your child will also be monitored for any side effects.

What are the possible side effects and complications?

It's important for your child to stay on schedule with all related medical appointments.  Contact your child's doctor if any changes cause you or your child concern.

Possible side effects of GnRH analogue treatment include:

• Injection site swelling
• Weight gain
• Hot flashes
• Headaches

Use of GnRH analogues might also have long-term effects on:

• Bone density
• Future fertility

Children will likely have their height checked every three months.  Your child's doctor might recommend yearly bone density and bone age tests.

If children with male genitalia begin using GnRH analogues early in puberty, they might not develop enough penile and scrotal skin for certain gender confirmation genital surgical procedures, such as penile inversion vaginoplasty.  Alternative techniques, however, are available.

In addition, delaying puberty beyond one's peers can be stressful.  Your child might experience lower self-esteem.

What other treatments are needed?

Assessment and counseling by a behavioral health provider can help you and your child as you move through the decision-making process and provide support during therapy.  Engaging your child's school teachers and officials also might help ease your child's social adjustment during this process.

After a period of adjusting to pubertal blockers, adolescents might work with their care team to add cross-hormone treatment.  This is done to develop masculine or feminine secondary sex characteristics, helping the mind and body look and act like the gender with which your child identifies.  Keep in mind that some of these changes aren't reversible or will require surgery to reverse the effects.

GnRH analogues aren't the only medications that can delay puberty.  If you're interested in alternative treatments, talk to your child's doctor.

Source:
This Mayo Clinic Article


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14 Jan 2020, 7:45 pm

I have a sibling who is trans(Demi-boy) and is getting top surgery soon. I hope that they will find new comfort in their soon to be new shape. :D



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15 Jan 2020, 2:06 am

Fnord wrote:
To begin using pubertal blockers, a child must:
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• Address any psychological, medical or social problems that could interfere with treatment

I wish one of the only two trans persons I know - a friend's friend - did this before the transition.
They used to be a guy with serious problems. Now they is a lesbian with serious problems.
Apparently, some people imagine this kind of treatment would magically solve all their issues. It wouldn't.


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15 Jan 2020, 8:43 am

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Address any psychological, medical or social problems that could interfere with treatment


That is so important . For practical and social reasons unless I had had help and support( which never came) any process of transitioning would not have gone well .

I wonder where that leaves people who definitely want SRS , but for whom practical and social issues are red flags against it .


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15 Jan 2020, 8:50 am

magz wrote:
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To begin using pubertal blockers, a child must:
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• Address any psychological, medical or social problems that could interfere with treatment
I wish one of the only two trans persons I know - a friend's friend - did this before the transition. They used to be a guy with serious problems. Now they is a lesbian with serious problems. Apparently, some people imagine this kind of treatment would magically solve all their issues. It wouldn't.
This is why withholding puberty blockers is not child abuse, and it is not bigotry to say so -- it is a simple fact of medical science.


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15 Jan 2020, 9:05 am

I think if child has problems , but otherwise fits the criteria for the use of puberty blockers , then prompt help should be given to ensure that puberty blockers can be used as soon as is viable .

It's certainly not good enough to say 'this child has problems so the use of puberty blockers is permanently off the table'


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15 Jan 2020, 9:12 am

Groundbreaking UW study: Transgender kids’ gender identity is as strong as that of cisgender children

Slightly off topic , but might interest some .


https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-ne ... -children/


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15 Jan 2020, 9:21 am

firemonkey wrote:
... It's certainly not good enough to say 'this child has problems so the use of puberty blockers is permanently off the table'
When a child's problems are insurmountable and permanent, then the avoidance of puberty blockers should be permanent, as well. Thus, in some cases, it is "good enough" from a medical standpoint.


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Groundbreaking UW study...
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The UW researchers studied 822 children from the United States and Canada -- 317 transgender children between the ages of 3 and 12, 189 of their cisgender siblings and 316 other cisgender children as a control group -- and will follow them into adulthood.
Only 822 kids ... 38.6% identified as transgender ... 61.4% identified as cisgender ... and the study isn't even completed yet.

I would like to see the final results, but I may not live that long.


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