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15 Jan 2018, 3:23 am

for this...
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Oh no, so offensive...


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15 Jan 2018, 4:39 am

I guess Behemoth is safe but someone wearing their T-shirt may not be so much.
They are mocking a local right-wing fashion for "patriotic outfits". The problem is, the mocked group includes some fairly agressive individuals. So unless you are a martial arts master, it's better not to show up in something like this on a street.


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15 Jan 2018, 4:44 am

magz wrote:
I guess Behemoth is safe but someone wearing their T-shirt may not be so much.
They are mocking a local right-wing fashion for "patriotic outfits". The problem is, the mocked group includes some fairly agressive individuals. So unless you are a martial arts master, it's better not to show up in something like this on a street.




Well that is probably why they are trying to charge them, but its not like Behemoth fans are going to stop buying their T-shirts or going to their shows, if anything it just increases the support. Nergal beat cancer surely he can beat this minor legal hurdle and just get more popular in the process. I mean if they actually jail the band for this.....it will only increase support for them.

But yeah seriously they might get a year in jail or at least Nergal and the person who helped with the T-shirt design not sure if it would be the whole band...


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15 Jan 2018, 5:12 am

Sweetleaf wrote:
magz wrote:
I guess Behemoth is safe but someone wearing their T-shirt may not be so much.
They are mocking a local right-wing fashion for "patriotic outfits". The problem is, the mocked group includes some fairly agressive individuals. So unless you are a martial arts master, it's better not to show up in something like this on a street.




Well that is probably why they are trying to charge them, but its not like Behemoth fans are going to stop buying their T-shirts or going to their shows, if anything it just increases the support. Nergal beat cancer surely he can beat this minor legal hurdle and just get more popular in the process. I mean if they actually jail the band for this.....it will only increase support for them.

But yeah seriously they might get a year in jail or at least Nergal and the person who helped with the T-shirt design not sure if it would be the whole band...

Yes, but actually putting them in prison would only reinforce their fandom and get them supporters even from those totally uninterested in their music. It's political, they could become a cultural face of a large movement of those unhappy with the current direction of Poland – or at least the more radical part of it.

Nevertheless, I wouldn't wear this tee unless in a large group of strong allies. Not because of the law but because of those who deal with being offended with their own fists.


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15 Jan 2018, 5:15 am

magz wrote:
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magz wrote:
I guess Behemoth is safe but someone wearing their T-shirt may not be so much.
They are mocking a local right-wing fashion for "patriotic outfits". The problem is, the mocked group includes some fairly agressive individuals. So unless you are a martial arts master, it's better not to show up in something like this on a street.




Well that is probably why they are trying to charge them, but its not like Behemoth fans are going to stop buying their T-shirts or going to their shows, if anything it just increases the support. Nergal beat cancer surely he can beat this minor legal hurdle and just get more popular in the process. I mean if they actually jail the band for this.....it will only increase support for them.


But yeah seriously they might get a year in jail or at least Nergal and the person who helped with the T-shirt design not sure if it would be the whole band...

Yes, but actually putting them in prison would only reinforce their fandom and get them supporters even from those totally uninterested in their music. It's political, they could become a cultural face of a large movement of those unhappy with the current direction of Poland – or at least the more radical part of it.

Nevertheless, I wouldn't wear this tee unless in a large group of strong allies. Not because of the law but because of those who deal with being offended with their own fists.


Well I don't have that shirt, can't order it now anyways because I guess they have at least for now stopped selling that particular shirt. Also though in U.S, Colorado people would either recognize it and be happy someone is wearing it or they wont even know what Behemoth is...and just disregard it as 'another stupid satanic metal shirt.' But still after all this uproar I was hoping to get one of these shirts. Initially it wasn't my favorite design but all this controversy its a little more appealing.


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15 Jan 2018, 5:20 am

Sweetleaf wrote:
magz wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
magz wrote:
I guess Behemoth is safe but someone wearing their T-shirt may not be so much.
They are mocking a local right-wing fashion for "patriotic outfits". The problem is, the mocked group includes some fairly agressive individuals. So unless you are a martial arts master, it's better not to show up in something like this on a street.




Well that is probably why they are trying to charge them, but its not like Behemoth fans are going to stop buying their T-shirts or going to their shows, if anything it just increases the support. Nergal beat cancer surely he can beat this minor legal hurdle and just get more popular in the process. I mean if they actually jail the band for this.....it will only increase support for them.


But yeah seriously they might get a year in jail or at least Nergal and the person who helped with the T-shirt design not sure if it would be the whole band...

Yes, but actually putting them in prison would only reinforce their fandom and get them supporters even from those totally uninterested in their music. It's political, they could become a cultural face of a large movement of those unhappy with the current direction of Poland – or at least the more radical part of it.

Nevertheless, I wouldn't wear this tee unless in a large group of strong allies. Not because of the law but because of those who deal with being offended with their own fists.


Well I don't have that shirt, can't order it now anyways because I guess they have at least for now stopped selling that particular shirt. Also though in U.S, Colorado people would either recognize it and be happy someone is wearing it or they wont even know what Behemoth is...and just disregard it as 'another stupid satanic metal shirt.' But still after all this uproar I was hoping to get one of these shirts. Initially it wasn't my favorite design but all this controversy its a little more appealing.

Colorado is probably far enough from the "war between Poland and Poland" to be safe ;)


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16 Jan 2018, 9:03 pm

magz wrote:
I guess Behemoth is safe but someone wearing their T-shirt may not be so much.
They are mocking a local right-wing fashion for "patriotic outfits". The problem is, the mocked group includes some fairly agressive individuals. So unless you are a martial arts master, it's better not to show up in something like this on a street.


Metal fans aren't exactly known for being pushovers. I'd expect a few nationalists getting their jaws broken, and a few Behemoth fans getting stomped. Both groups contain people who are both willing and capable of using force.


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17 Jan 2018, 2:10 am

I don't think I've heard anything by Behemoth, but if they're pissing off Nazis and other right wing fanatics, then I might just take a listen. 8)


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17 Jan 2018, 6:52 am

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I don't think I've heard anything by Behemoth, but if they're pissing off Nazis and other right wing fanatics, then I might just take a listen. 8)

I think we are having a serious problem here if national symbols become associated with "nazis"...


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17 Jan 2018, 11:15 am

magz wrote:
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I don't think I've heard anything by Behemoth, but if they're pissing off Nazis and other right wing fanatics, then I might just take a listen. 8)

I think we are having a serious problem here if national symbols become associated with "nazis"...


Whose national symbols? I don't recognize those as symbols of my country.


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17 Jan 2018, 11:48 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
magz wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
I don't think I've heard anything by Behemoth, but if they're pissing off Nazis and other right wing fanatics, then I might just take a listen. 8)

I think we are having a serious problem here if national symbols become associated with "nazis"...


Whose national symbols? I don't recognize those as symbols of my country.

Behemoth is Polish. The coat of arms of Poland:
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The Rzeczpospolita Niewierna design:
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This is exactly why they have been charged.


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17 Jan 2018, 1:10 pm

Anything that pisses off Nazis is all right by me....



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17 Jan 2018, 3:50 pm

magz wrote:
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magz wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
I don't think I've heard anything by Behemoth, but if they're pissing off Nazis and other right wing fanatics, then I might just take a listen. 8)

I think we are having a serious problem here if national symbols become associated with "nazis"...


Whose national symbols? I don't recognize those as symbols of my country.

Behemoth is Polish. The coat of arms of Poland:
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The Rzeczpospolita Niewierna design:
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This is exactly why they have been charged.


It's similar but not the same thing, I mean sure maybe it offended some peoples sensibilities, but that they could get two years in prison over it is ridiculous?


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17 Jan 2018, 3:52 pm

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Anything that pisses off Nazis is all right by me....


well in this case its more right-winger fundies in Poland it has pissed of not nazis per say.


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17 Jan 2018, 4:16 pm

Sweetleaf wrote:
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Anything that pisses off Nazis is all right by me....


well in this case its more right-winger fundies in Poland it has pissed of not nazis per say.



Further, wouldn't Behemoth's membership be considered to be right-leaning, just a different neighbourhood than the Nationalists they've inflamed? I don't follow them very closely so I might be assuming only on the basis of black metal's general lean towards the right. (And yes, I'm familiar with RABM)


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17 Jan 2018, 9:47 pm

Sweetleaf wrote:
magz wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
magz wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
I don't think I've heard anything by Behemoth, but if they're pissing off Nazis and other right wing fanatics, then I might just take a listen. 8)

I think we are having a serious problem here if national symbols become associated with "nazis"...


Whose national symbols? I don't recognize those as symbols of my country.

Behemoth is Polish. The coat of arms of Poland:
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The Rzeczpospolita Niewierna design:
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This is exactly why they have been charged.


It's similar but not the same thing, I mean sure maybe it offended some peoples sensibilities, but that they could get two years in prison over it is ridiculous?


Of all the stupid things to be sent to prison for! 8O


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