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10 Jan 2022, 11:37 am

I decided to post this in Art & Writing instead of PPR, to avoid it being shred apart with debate.

This is a very enlightened discussion between Bryan Magee and Dame Iris Murdoch comparing the written styles of Philosophy and Literature, and the overlap of Philosophy in Literature.

Enjoy - No analysis required



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10 Jan 2022, 1:46 pm

I've see all the interviews from this series a few years ago (3 or 4 years ago). It's a 70s BBC program (most likely BBC2), I watched vhs rips though, This is obviously taken from Betacam SP.

I even remember what I was eating at the time. Coffee & cheddar cheese. That particular combo, for some reason stimulates my brain, (I don't know why!?) and a stimulated brain, is exactly what you need, to watch these.


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10 Jan 2022, 2:44 pm

Philosophy is the science that answers the question that wasn't asked because the answer is provided as the question.


How to tell someone you know nothing about philosophy without saying you know nothing about philosophy.



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10 Jan 2022, 3:01 pm

txfz1 wrote:
Philosophy is the science that answers the question that wasn't asked because the answer is provided as the question.


How to tell someone you know nothing about philosophy without saying you know nothing about philosophy.


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I Know That I Know Nothing of what you just wrote. :scratch:


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10 Jan 2022, 4:00 pm

Philosophy is a strange subject for me. I enjoy it but hate it. I can only process small bites at a time as I go into the single focus mode then like the movie "Up", SQUIRREL!, I'm somewhere else.

Did the Greeks, i.e. Plato and his accolades, give the world reasoning or critical thinking which is the tenet of science or scientific method by their philosophy writings?



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10 Jan 2022, 4:07 pm

West used classical antiquity as an abritary cut off point, as if no intellectuals ever existed before then. They just happened to be concentrated in that time period, and the arts and sciences flourished, or as the Greeks called it "eudaimonia." But history of thought goes back thousands of years before that. Even the Greeks stood on the shoulders of giants. They had the library of Alexander. A repository of ancient knowledge that was sadly lost. And if it wasn't for Mohammedan medieval culture, the moors, etc. What little survives of Greek texts, would have been lost also.


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10 Jan 2022, 4:14 pm

txfz1 wrote:
Philosophy is a strange subject for me. I enjoy it but hate it. I can only process small bites at a time as I go into the single focus mode then like the movie "Up", SQUIRREL!, I'm somewhere else.


I have a love/hate relationship with it too. Some great thinkers who are not always great writers.

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Did the Greeks, i.e. Plato and his accolades, give the world reasoning or critical thinking which is the tenet of science or scientific method by their philosophy writings?


I don't know, but I like Nietzsche's statement that science is also a perspective.



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10 Jan 2022, 4:31 pm

theprisoner wrote:
West used classical antiquity as an abritary cut off point, as if no intellectuals ever existed before then. They just happened to be concentrated in that time period, and the arts and sciences flourished, or as the Greeks called it "eudaimonia." But history of thought goes back thousands of years before that. Even the Greeks stood on the shoulders of giants. They had the library of Alexander. A repository of ancient knowledge that was sadly lost. And if it wasn't for Mohammedan medieval culture, the moors, etc. What little survives of Greek texts, would have been lost also.


It was a remarkable period in time. It is also sad we do not have the texts from the Ancestral Puebloans and other lost cultures.



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10 Jan 2022, 4:36 pm

Nietzsche wrote:
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No one can construct for you the bridge upon which precisely you must cross the stream of life, no one but you yourself alone.

There are no facts, only interpretations.

Man alone among all the animals has no eternal horizons and perspectives.



Neitszche believed everything was perspective, there were no absolutes. (all Table of values,morality, ethics, being individually crafted human artifices. )And that Humans were unique in the fact they could create their own unique perspectives, not tied to biological constraints, like animals, who's perspectives are almost frozen unchanging, genetically inherited generation after generation, like clones.

As you see, alot of his ideas, go against the grain of 2000 years of Christian thought. That's why he had a book called "the anti-christ." Almost as if he was trolling western society, and all it's established cultural values. He reffered to himself and his work as dynamite laid at the foundations of Western Civilization.


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10 Jan 2022, 4:51 pm

^If your perspective lasts longer than four hours, consult a doctor :P

You give a nice, short description. I love Beyond Good and Evil. His bitterness is strong, but I can't deny the book is entertaining. I read it on a vacation with my ex-fiancee. That was interesting :)

Need to make time for Isabella's video tonight.



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10 Jan 2022, 4:59 pm

Also, not to get ahead of myself, but I feel the need to throw the name George Berkeley out there. Just because he's a madman, in the best way.



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10 Jan 2022, 6:15 pm

IsabellaLinton wrote:
I decided to post this in Art & Writing instead of PPR, to avoid it being shred apart with debate.

This is a very enlightened discussion between Bryan Magee and Dame Iris Murdoch comparing the written styles of Philosophy and Literature, and the overlap of Philosophy in Literature.

Enjoy - No analysis required



This really just makes me want to argue :). But that's why I enjoyed it, so thank you!

(I love this YouTube channel, by the way.)



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10 Jan 2022, 6:56 pm

There is a series by this professor, which I like. Here's one:



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10 Jan 2022, 7:08 pm

First came Socrates':
I know nothing.

Then we have Nietzsche:
There are no facts, only interpretations

Karl Marx:
Question everything.

Now it's Viagras':
If your perspective lasts longer than four hours, consult a doctor.

Proof mankind is doomed or philosophy is just a grift.



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10 Jan 2022, 7:19 pm

HighLlama wrote:
There is a series by this professor, which I like. Here's one:



This is good.



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20 Jan 2022, 7:01 pm

Only 3 minutes in, but I must disagree that literature is 'for fun' and that it 'obscures'. I like the Romantic idea that the imagination is a truth-bearing faculty. Together, Imagination and objective truth produce reality. You see this in Coleridge and Barfield. Barfield believed that the imagination perceives reality in terms of meaning, while reason perceives it in terms of truth. Poetry, in particular, thus has equal status to the more scientific endeavours.