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05 May 2009, 1:31 am

Everytime I've listened to Drum and Bass I haven't cared for it, It's cool on some levels but something's always missing. But I've recently been listening to Squarepusher and find his music amazing, I think it's the jazzy roots he has. I like the mixture of drum programming and effects with his style of melodies.

Do you know who produces music similar to Squarepusher, techstep? Stuff with more of that Jazz/melodic thing going on, on top of mess with your head programming?

Does Squarepusher even fit into the Drum & Bass genre? I'm not really clear on the delineations, and internally I really don't care for genre names...


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05 May 2009, 6:48 pm

Pugly wrote:
Does Squarepusher even fit into the Drum & Bass genre? I'm not really clear on the delineations, and internally I really don't care for genre names...


Loosely. I think in a lot of ways they have more in common with ambient or what people may have called for a time 'artcore', something like Aphex Twin's similar work.

I think its a matter of listening buds as well so to speak as well as what kind of emotionality and dynamic that you want from the music; I personally feel a lot of what I posted and the more traditional formula UK Metalheadz/Renegade Hardware/V/Shogun Audio/Metro/etc. stuff more to the ambient or gabberish stuff like Venetian or Squarepusher its somewhat the opposite mainly because it doesn't have the same emotional or stylistic angles that pull me to d&b to begin with.

That's where I think it diverges though, different people can listen to the same genre of music even but have almost negating likes and dislikes as to what and why. There's another guy I've talked to who likes this genre a lot as well in WP chat and we can barely see eye to eye on anything!



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05 May 2009, 7:43 pm

Here's a good example as well. Very scene centered as far as late 90's jazz step goes, very beautiful tune but also caries with it a very specific kind of mood (jazzy, minimal, mystique-loaded; much of Krust, Die, Suv, and Roni Size's work experimented with this kind of edge and they had some great results) - thus the ideas or imagry that go along with it somewhat underpin what a listener will ultimately see in it.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khG_K6h4tuE[/youtube]

Another example:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agYNziW0Fmw[/youtube]



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05 May 2009, 11:28 pm

Oh boy, I love Pendulum
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqMAsLbglRY[/youtube]


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06 May 2009, 9:04 pm

This might impart something *chills*

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mi4azE6g_R4[/youtube]



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10 May 2009, 1:09 pm

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IT6kjLybbKw&feature=related[/youtube]



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17 May 2009, 4:05 pm

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7I5WqxSWoQ[/youtube][youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NcEPg7N26dk[/youtube]



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17 May 2009, 4:09 pm

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZhZiwxBEZlU[/youtube]



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21 May 2009, 9:35 pm

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mR3DkWd7-o[/youtube]
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ml8-VWasaE[/youtube]



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21 May 2009, 10:00 pm

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5WVDFhEkhA&feature=related[/youtube]



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22 May 2009, 7:34 pm

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVFAK7R3Z3w[/youtube]

Really like this. Deep and beautiful.



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22 May 2009, 7:38 pm

This is not a YouTube, but it's a site for music that some of my friends have done...some of it's amazing, particularly (hate to play favorites, but...) the TD stuff

Carbonbased.us

Although not drum n bass, but actually kind of eclectic, the Chickenskin/Roundhouse stuff is good too, very deep, techy and funky. Just like the guy that makes it :) Speaks to me.



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22 May 2009, 9:47 pm

Good tune, also with listening to TD - liked Cicada, almost reminded me of a Proxima-in-training.

You may have noticed, I headed the Wrongplanet's musician's thread (not that I'm the best musician here by any stretch, though I've tried), I have...I think 11...tracks right now on lastfm. All drum & bass. Right now what has me disheartened is that one of my critical weaknesses doesn't seem to go away - ie. I can come up with a hell of a feel or ambiance, I can do that much pro-grade, but as far as the sound engineering or funking up the beat with enough tricks, stunts, changeups - I'm taking a hiatus as I'm exasperated with finishing a few good tunes recently which I thought were steps forward but are still trashed on the EQing, then I find that I overdid it, completely have to rework them, may not even be able to get what I was hearing before...I could cry sometimes I swear.

Anyway:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-DE80xgBJ0&feature=channel_page[/youtube]



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22 May 2009, 10:48 pm

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Right now what has me disheartened is that one of my critical weaknesses doesn't seem to go away - ie. I can come up with a hell of a feel or ambiance, I can do that much pro-grade, but as far as the sound engineering or funking up the beat with enough tricks, stunts, changeups - I'm taking a hiatus as I'm exasperated with finishing a few good tunes recently which I thought were steps forward but are still trashed on the EQing, then I find that I overdid it, completely have to rework them, may not even be able to get what I was hearing before...I could cry sometimes I swear


I think a lot of people have the same problem, I know TD struggled for years with the whole "this is not the sound we're looking for" issue. Particularly when there's a technical issue you have to rework. I also know he's been at it for years and is just now getting to the point where he's putting things together that he's satisfied with.

It does help to collaborate with people. And he's not a butterfly, his wife calls him the "antisoc", lol.

I liked Cicada the best too, of all the D & B tracks, but it kept skipping and such on my YouTube, so I gave up on it.

The "Chickenskin" version of "Quiet No More" has been my obsession tonight. It's chill, more ambient, but I love the vocals, love the lyrics. Love em.

Okay, I'll quit threadjacking now ;)



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22 May 2009, 10:53 pm

patternist wrote:
Okay, I'll quit threadjacking now ;)


So I can get back to posting songs to myself in peace now? Thank you :P.



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27 May 2009, 1:51 pm

Hey, I liked your track. I might look out for some more. However, do you have the new state of mind album? This track is utterly devastating
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=niJ-ss86rSg&feature=PlayList&p=ED85F0C9239AD9D5&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=6[/youtube]