More Thought on Incels.

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So you see why incels aren't good sources of information on dating or pursuing romantic relationships. Without having the experience of success in those fields they aren't likely to have much insight on anything but how to get bucked off, so to speak.

Women and people who have had romantic experiences with women offer insight that can lead to success, whereas folks who offer red pill or black pill nonsense aren't offering insight that leads to success. What they're offering is an ideology to justify failings or to justify remaining emotionally distant (which tends to keep relationships superficial which isn't usually a recipe for long-term success or stability).

I wish Alex would install a bot that would use this as a reply to every post containing the sentence "I cannot get a date".

Close, but no cigar.

1. A woman is the very last person you want to talk to to learn dating advice. That's like asking a fish how to catch a fish. Who you want to ask is a fisherman. In other words, either an alpha male who naturally knows how to meet women, or a beta male who learned it intellectually for years.

2. If a man has to learn how to meet women, then he's an unattractive, undesirable, unwanted beta male. And a woman's first loyalty is other women. There's no way in freaking hell she'll teach a disgusting beta male how to meet women---it goes against everything evolutionary biology stands for. My own the\rapist told me crap like "if you ask her out today and she says no, just ask her out again tomorrow, she might say yes".

3. You're conflating distinct groups into one category. While Incels (uppercase) and incels (lowercase) aren't the best teachers, you also can't forget Red Pillers. While they unfairly get lumped into one category with those two, the Red Pillers actually want to learn how to pick up women. They experienced women's natural instincts first-hand, learned about their base instincts, and they know how to leverage them. Which means a Red-Pilled beta male will know how to act around women's base instincts much better than a Blue-Pilled beta male will.

What the frack do you know about dating? All this incel alpha beta red pill garbage is a load of crap. You've never had a woman you didn't pay for.

Are you sure? Search my old posts. I have plenty of examples of myself with non-escort women. Maybe not sex, but many respectful interactions. Some of those women aren't attractive, but the rest are. That's just the way the cookie crumbles when you're born with beta male genes.

Pray to the God(s) of Your Understanding, and thank Him/Her/It/Them that the mods here hate me.

Last edited by Aspie1 on 20 Sep 2021, 7:59 pm, edited 4 times in total.

The problem with your predatory analogy is that women aren't prey, they're co-conspirators.

This is part of what holds you back, that you literally can't conceive of women actually being interested and wanting your time, companionship and intimate contact. This is why I've never had to pay for sex but have sometimes responded to bribes (hmm, smoke for free at her house and get laid, or smoke my own weed at my house and not get laid; guess I'm getting in the car). Because I understand that women also have insecurities, also desire intimacy and companionship and also enjoy establishing connections with people they find charming I don't sit around sulking over how I'm a hideous beta male who no woman would ever want to meet, I let them decide if I'm worthwhile investment. To my delight and surprise, many have decided that I'm a blue chip investment.

The red pill crowd are only informed by their experienced as viewed through a toxic ideological lens. They've min/maxed themselves into knowing how to find hook-ups that are generally established in unhealthy ways while undermining their ability to find stable, lasting relationships. Knowing how to arrange a hook-up isn't the same as knowing how to establish and maintain an emotionally healthy, ongoing/long-term relationship.

I've been able to do both but I wish I invested more skill points into how to develop relationships that last.

Something else I just realized: a woman knows something is wrong with a man who acts like any physical closeness is the biggest deal in the world. It's part of her female powers. Maybe she saw something in my facial expression when she got into a standard, non-cuddly dance with me. After all, Biden masks didn't exist back then---so nothing hid my face muscles and their giveaway signs, at least those below my eyes. So she thought I'd go apesh__ if she pressed her body into mine. Therefore, she didn't want to do it.

By contrast, women I met in more recent years, after I obtained sexual experience though escorts and actually learned to dance, had absolutely no reservations about pressing into me while hugging me and snuggling with me, even in our swimsuits involving limited skin-to-skin contact. This includes both women in my Meetup groups and women I met on my cruises. Heck, a female friend I met in 2016 cuddled with me in ways that were more affectionate than the first girl I ever dated did. At the same time, I respected the boundaries, treated the snuggling as a friendly interaction and an expression of her comfort with me, and didn't escalate in sexual ways.

And the highlighted bit is all that's needed.

I've noticed this too and I have had far better dating and sex advice from guys and found that women's advice from women I knew seemed to be all wrong.

But why do women feel they have to look out for other women and lie to guys on what they think will work? In comparison, I don't mind giving women advice on how to get guys, and my woman friend told me I give great dating advice to her when it comes to getting guys, for example. But as a guy I just tell her what I feel would work on me.

But how come women have problem giving the opposite gender advice to guys it seems, or at least it seems that way with me too in the past?

Evolutionary biology. It's a subconscious instinct for women. They might want to honestly teach a man. But evolutionary instincts get in the way of that, and they end up giving him counterproductive advice. That's why so many women say "just be nice to her", and why my the\rapist gave me such horrible advice. We are more similar to the animals we evolved from than we like to think.

Think about it. If a man has to ask how meet women, it means he doesn't naturally know how. If he doesn't know how, it means he's an undesirable beta male. And if he's an undesirable beta male, it means he has no business being around women sexually. So... women do what's necessary to protect each other from beta males, even if undermines a man who came to them for help.

I’m a beta male….yet I haven’t taken the Kool Aid.

I’ve been as successful as many “alpha” males.

Many women beyond high school age have gone beyond their “evolutionary instincts.”

Is that a double entendre?

I see myself more as an omega male.

I don't know much about "incels".
Just here to learn.

I noticed that women seem to mellow out the older they get and appear to overall get more reasonable with their standards. Some however do not get more reasonable just as many men never become more reasonable.

Either way, if a woman is 33 years old, wants kids and is still knocking down engineers and lawyers as not "man enough" then I feel most other women would also consider her a bit of an ignoramus and not just the men.

I think as people get older the number of forever alones with very high standards still circulate and never seem to diminish or get removed from the dating pool (no surprise there). I think this disproportionate number of older people with very high standards might end up jading dates they come across.

Being realistic though. Man or woman, they'll be an idiot to be picky in their 30s. If someone's list of qualifications and achievements can't fill a postage stamp by that age then they either drop their standards or need to prepare to die alone surrounded by 50 cats with zero sympathy from me at least.

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What I don't understand is though is why do women feel they need to protect each other from beta males. What about a beta male is threatening or unsafe that calls for protection?

Protection implies danger, and being just simply undesirable is not the same.

If you follow the tutelage of an incel, you will only become as miserable as he.