It seems to me that most hot women in the US are stuck up.

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Unfortunately, your "views" are not unique on this board - but the fact that you've spent so much time propagating them doesn't make them factually accurate.

You're simply not qualified to make the kind of damaging statements you make about women. You objectify women constantly and you encourage others to do the same. You actually believe you can know a woman's character based on her picture? That's absolutely ridiculous. Yet if we don't agree with you, we're misinformed....uh-huh. Sure we are.

Well I first want to say I don't have anything against large women but I think it's pretty certain that America has larger women than Europe. Which would also mean there are less fit super hot women and like someone said before, the law of scarcity can be applied here, which would lead to these women being snobby because of men. Could that be an explanation?

no, i don't think so. i'm an overweight woman and i have more male attention now than when i was skinny! i think that north american tastes are changing along with our waistlines. there are some men who prefer thinner women, but there are also some men who like their women lusciously plump.

your basic premise is flawed - american women are no more snobby than women anywhere. people have individual experiences with individual women, but that does not make it correct to apply those conclusions to an entire group of women.

Seriously, if I hear the phrase "hot women" one more time...

Do know that I have an aluminum baseball bat and I'm not afraid to use it.

Neither do I. "Big" and "beautiful" are not mutually exclusive terms, despite the malnourished waifs the American media consistently serves up as the female ideal.



Yes (I brought up that theory myself). It could also be that American men are too aggressive in their pursuit of "hot" women. It could also be that American men take a polite rejection as a signal that they may have a chance with the young lady - and then proceed to harass her. It clould also be that American men approach "hot" women in any circumstance, and they just get sick of all the unwanted attention.

These interactions don't take place in a vacuum - there's a woman and a man involved. But there's a very noticeable lack of posts by the men on this board that acknowledge how the behavior of American men creates an atmosphere that forces women to constantly be prepared to deal with unwanted interest. I wonder why?

Most hot women in the US are stuck up...depending on your own definition of "hot" and "stuck up" Or maybe most are not...depending on your definition. Some people define stuck up as entitlement, some define it as "just because I don't like you doesn't make me a b***h". Sometimes, it can be as simple as she doesn't know how to fend off the crude advances of men like that, and unfortunately, that is the best (and easiest) way to do it. Sure, it's cruel too, and it takes its toll. After a while, she gets so used to it that decent guys get lumped together, and then you wonder why some women are paranoid.

Until everyone is on the same page with "most" "hot" and "stuck up" and for that matter, "US" (there are 50 states you know, and state by state is varies somewhat) then this thread is just going to continue to be a flame war.

Here's a little extra credit assignment for you guys. Dress up nicely, and go to a gay club. Maybe then you can get an idea of what it's like to be hounded by everyone in every direction. Then go back. And go back again. And go back for 3 or 4 years in a row, and then tell me, or anyone else for that matter with a straight face that it DOESN'T get old after a while.

Well I'd rather not go to a gay bar seeing as I'm not, you know, gay

he means you'd understand what it would be like to get hit on by people you don't want to date

I know what he means, I was just trying to lighten up the mood

I haven't read through this entire thread so I'm not sure if the eye-rolling thing has come up or not, but I live in an urban area after having spent most of my life in the burbs. I have to say that sometimes I may appear stuck-up to guys on the street. I never thought I'd be the type of woman to actually roll my eyes at someone when he makes a pass at me, but, yes, the frequency of my eye rolling has increased exponentially now that I live in the city.

What is the difference, before and now? Well, I run into a lot more guys. And not only do I run into guys who know how to respect a woman, but I run into a LOT more men who DON'T know how to treat a lady nicely. Having random strangers on the street look me up and down, drooling "Hey, baby" is pretty damned rude in my opinion. And so, yes, eye rolling and scoffing it is.

Just to say, I'm not usually averse to having a man express his appreciation if he happens to find me attractive. What I DON'T like is the feeling that said man's mind is already in my pants without my invitation. Men's minds are usually in women's pants anyways, but it's respectful to not make it obvious and to give her the opportunity to invite you first.

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Actually, that makes it an apt analogy w/ "hot" women who are hit on day in and day out by people they are simply NOT attracted to.

Is it possible that being shy is sometimes confused with being stuck up? I don't deny that we have our share of men and women who are stuck up or spoiled because of their looks (sometimes to their eventual detriment when other factors catch up), but someone who is scared to talk to anyone else or prefers to keep to themselves can often be mistaken for being stuck up. I've been told many times that I have a snobby face, when in fact I was just petrified to talk to anyone due to my social issues and gaffes.

Given that pretty girls and women already get an inordinate amount of attention, for the shy ones this must be mortifying.

I agree, this happens to me all the time and I'm shocked when I get told that people think I am a "snob", nothing could be further from the truth.

Also, back to the OP. I had a very attractive co-worker tell me that she avoids eye contact with men because then they inevitably think "they've got her" and won't go away.

I wonder what % of men actually hit on random women on the street based entirely on looks? I'll bet it is a pretty small percentage in reality, but they get disproportionately noticed so it seems much larger...

The more beautiful the woman, the more mentally ill she gets of her own appearance. Vanity. That behaviour drives me away. It makes you as a male, want to hate them.

First off the misogyny in this thread is insulting. Why the thread trying to address the issue of misogyny on this board gets locked and threads like these do not is beyond me. I feel pretty strongly there needs to be some female mods for this board to police this type of crap.

Let me state this second. Most American women seem stuck up because you have to learn to be defensive in most cases, rather than friendly. I once had a male friend of mine ask me "why women didn't smile" when walking around on the street alone and seemed rather cold. I had to explain to him it was for good reason, guys often misinterprate such body language and expression and use it as an excuse to harass a woman (or worse). It is not a matter of being stuck up, it was ultimately about safety. Women who are attractive get alot of unwanted attention, hell women who are not attractive they get this attention sometimes. Especially if a woman is more femme. You build up defences in order to avoid unwanted attention and deflect it once you recieve it. It is not a matter of vanity, it is a matter of safety. Even when out with friends you try to stick close to them and try to limit contact outside the group. It is not a matter of being a snob, it is a matter of being safe.

In both the UK and US this is a common phenomenom. It is also common in other places where there is street harassment.

I've interacted with plenty of pretty women here in the US, and most of them didn't have particularly bad attitudes or seemed stuck up and snobby. Then again, all the girls in my area that I find pretty are suburban African-American girls, so my experiences may be atypical.