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13 Sep 2017, 6:47 am

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Why don't you ask the first girl out?

I was waiting for her mandate to end for the sake of professionalism, but I guess I'm just not that patient ;) Don't think I'd go for "strawberry girl", not for a while anyhow, I barely know her and I'm not really into "cold dating". Thanks for your advice tho :)



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14 Sep 2017, 5:27 pm

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Sly, seems you and I share a common experience where women are concerned, but I feel like you let that experience dictate your perception of all of womankind (is that a word? o.O ). Those thoughts and opinions you express on here, they cross my mind regularly, but you have to resist them. Your financial situation is not the issue, people in ridiculous poverty have girlfriends too. Homeless people have girlfriends. Fat people get girlfriends too. You've been given a lot of great tips here and elsewhere, and I know (I really do), those are hard to live by, but you have to do it. The closest I've ever came to getting a girlfriend was when I was focusing on being successful at work and ignoring my personal issues. Girls actually came to me (at which point I'd manage to scare them off but that's a work in progress :/ )

If you truly believe it's about you being fat and poor, here's a good one for you: I dropped 50 pounds this summer and I've been raking in roughly 5 times more money than I need to live in what I consider opulence for years (NTs call it being poor, but like you I don't need much ;) ) and I still can't get a date. It's not about looks and money (well, sometimes it is, but those are not the kind of girls that would make guys like us happy anyhow :P ), it's about attitude and behavior. Find something in which you look impressive. If you're a huge gamer, show off your gaming skills! Get a youtube channel going or something. I've been told a million times I have to "get out of my comfort zone" but as far as I can tell that's absolute BS, you have to bring girls into YOUR comfort zone, show them you can be awesome too.

That said, that's step one: attracting a girl. Then you and I will have to work on step 2: maneuvering this whole dating business, but you know, one step at a time my friend.

Final detail: if it's really about your looks and finances, well those are on you to fix. Take long walks regularly (they don't feel like work like jogging or other sports might, plus you can pretend you're exploring a Minecraft world or something :D ) and you'll be dropping weight in no time. Getting a good job is not that hard either, you just need the right skillset, and guess what? Your difference makes you awesome at acquiring new skills! Put that ND brain of your to it's god-given purpose (just an expression, not religious) and I assure you, that alone will impress the ladies.


I can't work over 25 hours a week. There's no good jobs that will take someone who can't work full time and in order to make the same I'd have to make twice as muc so I'd have to get paid $40-50 an hour.
Ok permanently on disability so my income situation won't ever change. Nearly every girl says not to talke to them unless you have a good job, car, and own place and have to be attractive.

I lost 15 pounds last month and John Ned a gym this week but los My wieght won't help since I can't even talk to them cause I don't make enough.



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14 Sep 2017, 6:20 pm

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I can't work over 25 hours a week. There's no good jobs that will take someone who can't work full time and in order to make the same I'd have to make twice as muc so I'd have to get paid $40-50 an hour.
Ok permanently on disability so my income situation won't ever change. Nearly every girl says not to talke to them unless you have a good job, car, and own place and have to be attractive.

I lost 15 pounds last month and John Ned a gym this week but los My wieght won't help since I can't even talk to them cause I don't make enough.


You're actually making me regret trying to help. We can't help you if you can't help yourself. If you're not willing to at least try to adjust your attitude, stop complaining and start accepting single life.



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14 Sep 2017, 6:37 pm

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I can't work over 25 hours a week. There's no good jobs that will take someone who can't work full time and in order to make the same I'd have to make twice as muc so I'd have to get paid $40-50 an hour.
Ok permanently on disability so my income situation won't ever change. Nearly every girl says not to talke to them unless you have a good job, car, and own place and have to be attractive.

I lost 15 pounds last month and John Ned a gym this week but los My wieght won't help since I can't even talk to them cause I don't make enough.


You're actually making me regret trying to help. We can't help you if you can't help yourself. If you're not willing to at least try to adjust your attitude, stop complaining and start accepting single life.


Would you tell a paralyzed person to just walk or shut up?

I've been on disability since high school. I'm going be on it for life. I tried working full time I can't handle it so getting a tree job is impossible and thus not good advice in my case. Save it for aspies going to college who can handle full time work.

Would you suggest ignoring women saying don't message me if you don't have a good job? Seems they'll guaranteed reject me and be pissed I wasted their time.



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14 Sep 2017, 6:45 pm

no, my recommendation is that you stop assuming it's all about money. Where did you get this ridiculous notion anyhow? Not all girls think income is relevant, and those who do are well beneath your consideration. But this will be my last post to you, you're so entrenched in your position, arguing is pointless.



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16 Sep 2017, 2:35 pm

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Sly, seems you and I share a common experience where women are concerned, but I feel like you let that experience dictate your perception of all of womankind (is that a word? o.O ). Those thoughts and opinions you express on here, they cross my mind regularly, but you have to resist them. Your financial situation is not the issue, people in ridiculous poverty have girlfriends too. Homeless people have girlfriends. Fat people get girlfriends too. You've been given a lot of great tips here and elsewhere, and I know (I really do), those are hard to live by, but you have to do it. The closest I've ever came to getting a girlfriend was when I was focusing on being successful at work and ignoring my personal issues. Girls actually came to me (at which point I'd manage to scare them off but that's a work in progress :/ )

If you truly believe it's about you being fat and poor, here's a good one for you: I dropped 50 pounds this summer and I've been raking in roughly 5 times more money than I need to live in what I consider opulence for years (NTs call it being poor, but like you I don't need much ;) ) and I still can't get a date. It's not about looks and money (well, sometimes it is, but those are not the kind of girls that would make guys like us happy anyhow :P ), it's about attitude and behavior. Find something in which you look impressive. If you're a huge gamer, show off your gaming skills! Get a youtube channel going or something. I've been told a million times I have to "get out of my comfort zone" but as far as I can tell that's absolute BS, you have to bring girls into YOUR comfort zone, show them you can be awesome too.

That said, that's step one: attracting a girl. Then you and I will have to work on step 2: maneuvering this whole dating business, but you know, one step at a time my friend.

Final detail: if it's really about your looks and finances, well those are on you to fix. Take long walks regularly (they don't feel like work like jogging or other sports might, plus you can pretend you're exploring a Minecraft world or something :D ) and you'll be dropping weight in no time. Getting a good job is not that hard either, you just need the right skillset, and guess what? Your difference makes you awesome at acquiring new skills! Put that ND brain of your to it's god-given purpose (just an expression, not religious) and I assure you, that alone will impress the ladies.


For someone permanently disabled who can't work over 20 hours and has no experience and a useless college defreee getting a good job is impossible. What job that pays $40 an hour will hire a disabled person part time who has no experience and is social awkward?



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16 Sep 2017, 2:43 pm

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no, my recommendation is that you stop assuming it's all about money. Where did you get this ridiculous notion anyhow? Not all girls think income is relevant, and those who do are well beneath your consideration. But this will be my last post to you, you're so entrenched in your position, arguing is pointless.

No. Or all girls do but those girls aren't single, cause they didn't care about a mans income so found low income guys, the majority who do care about a mans income remain single due to the lack of "quality" or "real" men. It is these women I'm left to try to date as I can't date married or coupled women.

Go on Facebook, dating sites or Craigslist. Look at women's posts, profiles and ads, most of them outright say they only want a guy who has a good job, car and own place. I didn't make this up. I've spent 12 years or more on these sites I've seen thousands and thousands of women's profiles,I've seen their posts on Facebook complaining about lack of "quality men" I've seen their YouTube videos, I've overheard women talking about it in person and I've even had a woman ask me flat out where the men with good jobs are cause her loser bf she broke up with had a low paying job.

But yiu can also just look here as a bunch of women on wp say the same thing.
They don't want a guy with a low paying job, they see such guys as mooches, or dependents. They want a guy who makes as much as them or more.

I dont know what to do when that cute fat, unemployed girl tells me she won't date me cause my job. So I take women at their face value, if these women actually don't care about a mans income they're doing one heck of s job hiding it.



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16 Sep 2017, 3:26 pm

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I don't deserv anything, I've come through accept that mostly, I'm certainly not good enough form happiness, so I don't allow myself to smile. It only rarely happens when talking with women I like. Happiness is for real men


Not true, you deserve to not be miserable, and maybe to have some people in your life to vent to when things are bad.


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Aren't their 3billion people in china alone? Though the total world population doesn't matter, while some lady in china might not care about my income, I bet it's a lot compared to her average income in the area, she's in china, we'll never meet. I've been contacted by aspie women in Europe,but I can't afford to travel to them nore them to me, so they find bfs in Europe.

All the women at work are even the ones older then me. Seems they get drunk every weekend. I've never seen the appeal of alcohol or drugs. Much like coffee and cigarettes it's a waste of money I'd rather spend on objects that will be around much longer and increase and worth. What's so fun about getting so high or drunk, you don't remember what you did and vomite? Very few women into gaming, most play phone games. We have one girl in our gaming clan.loke 70guys from age 17-70. She's a 18 old high school senior. I don't much care for how the older guys flirt sexually with her , it makes me uncomfortable. Even if it's a joke.

I talk about reality, women especially the few on here who don't follow the majority of women take offense to hearing reality but it is what it is. You can go on dating sites and see profile after profile after ad after ad of women demanding s guy have a good job. I don't see how it's misogynistic to point out that. It's not like they hiding it.thuenout it on their profile,thyentalk a out it on Facebook and at work in the break room. Most women want a guy with a good income that can provide for them or contribute to their middle class dream. That's what society says to do that's what society says is important, it drives sales. Society is largely controlled by corporations who want to sell their goods. In Materialistic people make poor consumers. Mean look at the jewelry industry alone. 6 months pay for a engagement ring :o seems like a solid investment, sure there wasn't anything better that money could been spent on. And how does one save upm6 months pay while paying for everything else lol. Anyways I'm not materialistic. I don't need vacations, fancy things, fancy cars, houses etc. give me an apartment tv, couch and a gf and I'd be happy. Though I can go to the beach and stay in a cabin if I had transportation. That's about all the vacation I needl but a lot of women want to go to Europe, or Hawaii or Asia few times a year. Or spend half the year backpacking across Europe. That's all very very expensive, it's no wonder they want s guy with a good job(some flat out told me this, she was a so called femal friend) told me until I get a good job no women will date me,mo can't pay for their vacations, dinners out, and gifts.

I'd rather cuddle up on the beach or porch watching the sun set/rise(can't Remember which) over the ocean. But that'd probably be a week a year. How are guys expected to keep their good jobs while vacationing multiple times a year? Most people get 2 weeks vacation time a year. I think a lot of women have unrealistic goals.
Like others have said, how do they afford all those expensive vacations overseas.
What's wrong with staying at a beach house(was a cabin) or camping in the woods.



I think China's roughly 1.3-1.5 billion, India is about another billion. Obviously some of them are too old, too young, already attached, gay or otherwise unsuitable. Most of them are too far away to be realistic, but that's missing the point. I'm mostly pushing the perspective that there's too many to base your hopes for all eternity on the couple hundred (or fewer?) you've encountered so far - especially in regards to what they do for entertainment. That said, observer bias may be distorting both our perspectives, I tend to not pay much attention to people like you describe being surrounded by, so they don't really appear notable.

As for intoxicants, most of them don't result in vomitting. It's really just alcohol that causes one to not "remember what you did and vomit" and even then only in excess. As for the others, typically they cause release of either serotonin or dopamine or both, many can be quite euphoric, others relaxing, some both. And while you might not physically have something to show, I'm pretty sure the second time I consumed MDMA, 14 years ago now, has had a more enduring (and positive) impact on my life and mental health than anything else I spent $15 on that year. The enhanced ability for reflection and objectivity in dealing with internal concerns it allows helps one reconsider perspectives without the tendency towards ego-protection that sometimes interferes without it - that's why there's been discussion of it's role in helping psycoholgical theorpy for decades. But, back on topic...

We both talk about our persceptions of reality, not reality itself. Between the two of us we haven't met 1% of women in North America, so the trends that appear to exist within that sample might be influenced by small sample size.

Anyways, I'm too tired to try to make this any more coherent. Hopefully I didn't set expectations too high. :|


Doesn't seem like it, besides the fact no woman will love me, people get mad at me when I get happy.

Worlds population is 7.5billion. Added 2.5 billion since around 1990 crazy.

Unless said woman is in my city it's pointless as I can't travel outside the city.
Females 18-39
Springfield: 7,719
Eugene: 27,289

Males age 18-39
Springfield: 9,674
Eugene: 28,453

Springfield:-2,555 against men
Eugene: -1,164

Not looking good.
But women tend to date old men people say
Men age 40-59
Springfield : 7,607
Eugene: 17,777

Women 40-59
Springfield: 7,996
Euegene: 19,505

Future generation
Female 0-17
Springfield:6,962
Eugene: 13,895

Males 0-17
Springfield: 7,438
Eugene: 10,574
So guess the future men in Eugene might have better luck.


Now being as women at 18-25 are no go for me any,ore and I can't see myself with a 40 old woman

Women age 25-34
Springfield: 4,784
Eugene: 10,888

How many of those are in relationships, liesbian, asexual, not interested in men without their life together etc.
there's way more men then women, means way more competition, then there's men from outside my city area who will also compete for those women .



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16 Sep 2017, 3:37 pm

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Go on Facebook, dating sites or Craigslist. Look at women's posts, profiles and ads, most of them outright say they only want a guy who has a good job, car and own place.

I went on craigslist and picked one of the first US areas from the list that had personals that weren't just about sex (they all looked fake), then I picked the first handful as they came but most were older people so I picked a few more as they came that were from younger girls. Here they are pretty much in order I found them

https://vermont.craigslist.org/w4m/d/pl ... 72697.html
https://vermont.craigslist.org/w4m/d/lt ... 98286.html
https://vermont.craigslist.org/w4m/d/ap ... 13765.html
https://vermont.craigslist.org/w4m/d/id ... 24362.html
https://vermont.craigslist.org/w4m/d/so ... 21122.html
https://vermont.craigslist.org/w4m/d/be ... 74964.html
https://vermont.craigslist.org/w4m/d/no ... 29067.html
https://plattsburgh.craigslist.org/w4m/ ... 94205.html

Not a single one mentioned anything about the guy needing a car, his own place or even a job. None. Zero.



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16 Sep 2017, 3:56 pm

https://eugene.craigslist.org/w4m/d/fri ... 79416.html
She just looking for friends but he has to have his life together(i.e. Job,place, car)
https://eugene.craigslist.org/w4m/d/loo ... 80641.html
Title says it all but she goes into more detail what a real man is.
https://eugene.craigslist.org/w4m/d/are ... 77809.html
Woman complaint about lack of good men
https://eugene.craigslist.org/w4m/d/loo ... 10744.html
https://eugene.craigslist.org/w4m/d/loo ... 19937.html

Also people who list they have such job, or work two jobs means that's important to them, which means they won't likely accept someone who doesn't have a good job or multiple jobs.
I also have to exclude all the thin women, women with kids, sex ads etc.



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16 Sep 2017, 3:56 pm

it's very noticeable how almost all in chichikov list have a body type heavy and curvy(in my experience, it always turns out that curvy = fat on dating sites).



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16 Sep 2017, 4:06 pm

It's really funny how in these ads 200+ lb becomes "curvy" and just "little above average" .... who are they kidding?

Maybe I shall describe my height 5'3 as "just little below average"; it would then magically becomes the truth just for saying it, ha!
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16 Sep 2017, 4:09 pm

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https://eugene.craigslist.org/w4m/d/friends-maybe-more/6307979416.html
She just looking for friends but he has to have his life together(i.e. Job,place, car)
https://eugene.craigslist.org/w4m/d/loo ... 80641.html
Title says it all but she goes into more detail what a real man is.
https://eugene.craigslist.org/w4m/d/are ... 77809.html
Woman complaint about lack of good men
https://eugene.craigslist.org/w4m/d/loo ... 10744.html
https://eugene.craigslist.org/w4m/d/loo ... 19937.html

Also people who list they have such job, or work two jobs means that's important to them, which means they won't likely accept someone who doesn't have a good job or multiple jobs.
I also have to exclude all the thin women, women with kids, sex ads etc.

Only one woman in that list has mentioned you need a car, job etc and that's a list you cherry picked!

You're just making excuses, you're trying to shift the blame onto women, trying to paint them to be something they're not because it suits your blame-avoiding agenda.



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16 Sep 2017, 5:15 pm

Chichikov wrote:
sly279 wrote:
https://eugene.craigslist.org/w4m/d/friends-maybe-more/6307979416.html
She just looking for friends but he has to have his life together(i.e. Job,place, car)
https://eugene.craigslist.org/w4m/d/loo ... 80641.html
Title says it all but she goes into more detail what a real man is.
https://eugene.craigslist.org/w4m/d/are ... 77809.html
Woman complaint about lack of good men
https://eugene.craigslist.org/w4m/d/loo ... 10744.html
https://eugene.craigslist.org/w4m/d/loo ... 19937.html

Also people who list they have such job, or work two jobs means that's important to them, which means they won't likely accept someone who doesn't have a good job or multiple jobs.
I also have to exclude all the thin women, women with kids, sex ads etc.

Only one woman in that list has mentioned you need a car, job etc and that's a list you cherry picked!

You're just making excuses, you're trying to shift the blame onto women, trying to paint them to be something they're not because it suits your blame-avoiding agenda.


Cause I bet you didn't go through and pick out ones they didn't mention it.

What do you taienhaving your life together means? It means having job, car and a place to live i.e. As women have explained it not some unemployed guy live with his parents. It means where society expects most men to be at 30 . Nice house car and good job to pay for it all.

I don't keep records of women who say it but I guess I'll try screen shotting then all when I come across them in the future.

Also mind you I've messaged ones who don't list it only to have them ask in first few messages what my job is. Then they suddenly stop talking to me. Few of them will tell me my jobs not a real job and that's why it won't work out.



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16 Sep 2017, 5:17 pm

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it's very noticeable how almost all in chichikov list have a body type heavy and curvy(in my experience, it always turns out that curvy = fat on dating sites).


So boo if more men then women on a dating site makes women more picky and window shop more and more competition for men.

What happens when there's 3-4 thousand more men then women in an area?
Seems the women have more options.



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16 Sep 2017, 5:23 pm

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It's really funny how in these ads 200+ lb becomes "curvy" and just "little above average" .... who are they kidding?

Maybe I shall describe my height 5'3 as "just little below average"; it would then magically becomes the truth just for saying it, ha!
:lol:

I don't care about their wieght. I'd have to see how they look, but lots of women look attractive still at 200. Depends on how their body disperses it. They reject me though. Half of them want thin athletic men.
I really love the ones who say not to judge them on their size then go and judge men on their size. My ad doesn't have a list of requirements and I don't expect or feel entitled to a thin women like these women do for thin men.
But I've seen a bunch of couples with thin husband fat wife, but a bunch of women gain weight after kids it seems so they might not have been fat when they got together. Very rarely do I see thin woman fat guy.