It seems that girls way picker even when it comes to looks.

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16 Jan 2015, 9:52 pm

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
The Proof: Tinder.

It works like this, you see pics, you swipe right if you like it or left if you don't, if she/her likes you back a chat option with that person is opened.

When I watched how my female friends use it, they literally swipe one right 1 in 50, and every like always turn to a match.


So, you're choosing an electronic app that only gives one option (like someone's photo or keep swiping) and then want to extrapolate that all females focus solely on looks based on that one app? Okay, but it doesn't seem a really smart way to think to my mind. As you said Tinder itself is set up as a window shopping app, so how can a woman or anyone on there, reject someone based on their personality when this isn't even an option?

Confirmation bias much?


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16 Jan 2015, 10:37 pm

However, I don't think your premise is incorrect at all. Women are just as picky as men when it comes to looks. And why wouldn't they be? We are the same species after all. This myth that women do or should place personality above physical attraction is one of the biggest social lies out there. One that I think has it's roots in social structure of times past.

When it was not acceptable for women to make their own way economically, marriage was the only way to secure one's financial future. In that circumstance, while the farmers son might be good to look at, you're going to be a lot more rational than that if the old geezer with a shop is also giving you the eye. It's not simply a choice about who you are attracted to. It's a choice that will define the economic conditions that will affect your entire life. Of course, hormones take a back seat. It was also quite common for a man in those times to marry up with an otherwise unattractive female if she was able to substantially improve his fortunes. The same economic circumstances act in exactly the same way on both genders. And in many parts of the world today, a woman's fortune plays a large part in who her suitors are still.

But in the modern world women can make their own way economically and they are also expected to as well. Given that your economic future is now in your own hands things like physical attributes can take centre stage when choosing a mate. Something that men have done for quite a long time for exactly the same reasons.

I wouldn't say that women are necessarily any pickier than men, but I also wouldn't say that on the whole they are any less. If this seems like a negative thing, then I really have to ask why. If we as individuals feel justified in owning our sexual preferences then of course you have to expect that everyone else is the world is likely to be similarly influenced visually.

Where I think a lot of these attraction arguments go off the rails though is when we start equating atypical preferences with say a certain type of attraction. IE, that lets say a woman says she doesn't like 95% of men she's met. People will quickly determine that means she only finds high profile celebrities or people universally ranked as highly physically attractive as being what she wants. That isn't necessarily true. I have atypical preferences and I also do not find the vast majority of universally acclaimed 'pretty people' TM to be attractive. My preferences are just that, atypical. Uncommon but by no means stratospheric in terms of what I'm asking for.


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17 Jan 2015, 3:47 am

Kiriae wrote:
Girls are minority on dating websites so we can afford being picky. 8)

BTW. You can actually say something about the personality just by looking at some photo. Clothes, environment, face expression, eyes - they all are cues. Of course there is nothing specific but if you see a selfie of a guy in plain t-shirt, that doesn't smile, his eyes look bored/tired and the surrounding looks like a teenager room you can assume you are dealing with a depressed, boring guy that still lives with his parents, has no real idea what to do with his life and thinks a girlfriend will make him happy.


it feels good to push inferior males into obscurity, huh? Serves those disgusting trolls right.

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17 Jan 2015, 4:25 am

Echolalia wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
The Proof: Tinder.

It works like this, you see pics, you swipe right if you like it or left if you don't, if she/her likes you back a chat option with that person is opened.

When I watched how my female friends use it, they literally swipe one right 1 in 50, and every like always turn to a match.


So, you're choosing an electronic app that only gives one option (like someone's photo or keep swiping) and then want to extrapolate that all females focus solely on looks based on that one app? Okay, but it doesn't seem a really smart way to think to my mind. As you said Tinder itself is set up as a window shopping app, so how can a woman or anyone on there, reject someone based on their personality when this isn't even an option?

Confirmation bias much?


I am only talking about the pickiness regarding looks and this app shows that women are pickier at that, it doesn't matter what each finds hot, the point is statistically-speaking on this app it seems they're way pickier.

In fact, I don't think it's much different than dating sites, I think rejecting based on personality(if his profile projects his true personality) only comes after liking the guys's photo - if a girl doesn't find the picture attractive she won't waste her time to look into the profile.

Tinder works more like a real life courting between strangers, starting with a mutual glimpse, then a conversation follows, and from there starts the personality evaluation.

and yes I agree that saying women aren't as visual as men is a big social lie, It's really not true.

I once experimented with a shirtless pic (after becoming fit) on okc and inbox went from zero to having to delete messages. Ever since I realized that women are as visual.



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17 Jan 2015, 4:44 am

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However, I don't think your premise is incorrect at all. Women are just as picky as men when it comes to looks. And why wouldn't they be? We are the same species after all. This myth that women do or should place personality above physical attraction is one of the biggest social lies out there. One that I think has it's roots in social structure of times past.


See? Your first post was an ill-thought provoking reaction.
Most of my posts are correct and and based on social observations.
I am not inventing anything.

Your problem is you are over sensitive regarding gender talk, it's a love and dating forum so of course users will talk about their observations of the other gender, since the majority are straight.

If you go to ANY dating forum, like POF/loveforum or whatever, you'll find exactly the same debates which are as frequent here.



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17 Jan 2015, 5:36 am

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
See? Your first post was an ill-thought provoking reaction.


My first post was also pretty much in alignment with everyone else's. I don't see you telling them they are all wrong or overly sensitive and ill-thought out. And I still think that using Tinder as a basis for your observation doesn't hold a lot of water. Less visually orientated people of all genders are unlikely to use Tinder as a way to find a partner. It specifically caters to visual people by virtue of how it works.

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
Most of my posts are correct and and based on social observations.
I am not inventing anything.


Once again please reference my post where I stated you were inventing stuff. As for correct? well thats a matter or conjecture. Of course everyone thinks they are correct, they would hardly post something they actually believed was incorrect.

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Your problem is


I am participating in a discussion, one that's public and asking for opinions. I was unaware that was a problem.


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17 Jan 2015, 6:20 am

Don't use online dating or hookups if you are ugly looking or at least feel that you are ugly looking.

I know I made a great decision not jumping into that pit.



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17 Jan 2015, 6:53 am

So from this thread I have learned that dating has become fast food and that women are more quick to dismiss a man based on his appearance. I don't know that the evidence of Boo's observations is enough to convince me of the second, but I'm not sure of it's importance anyway. Is it a reference to the often perceived unfairness of dating for men? If so I think its not so much that women are pickier, but rather that they are less motivated then men.



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17 Jan 2015, 8:47 am

I totally agree with Echolalia again. Everyone thinks they're correct , but that is a matter of conjecture. The fixed and rigid thinking of many on this board is hilarious.



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17 Jan 2015, 1:26 pm

There’s nothing unfair about people being as picky as they want or can afford to be, for reasons as shallow, bigoted or whimsical as they want. It’s nobody’s business but theirs.


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17 Jan 2015, 5:44 pm

Who even talked about unfair?



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17 Jan 2015, 6:07 pm

I imagine if I used Tinder I'd swipe right for most of the females, and left for most of the males. Most females are more attractive than most males. :twisted:



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18 Jan 2015, 11:14 am

Echolalia wrote:
So, you're choosing an electronic app that only gives one option (like someone's photo or keep swiping) and then want to extrapolate that all females focus solely on looks based on that one app? Okay, but it doesn't seem a really smart way to think to my mind. As you said Tinder itself is set up as a window shopping app, so how can a woman or anyone on there, reject someone based on their personality when this isn't even an option?

Confirmation bias much?


The results are similar to other online dating tools. Yes, online dating attracts a certain type of people and everybody is different, some people are not superficial. But here we are just analyzing some common trends, which so far support boo's point.



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18 Jan 2015, 11:28 am

However, in real life away from the Internet, I am often surprised at how many fine-looking women end up with (what seems to me) some really bug-ugly men!



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18 Jan 2015, 12:36 pm

Kiriae wrote:
BTW. You can actually say something about the personality just by looking at some photo. Clothes, environment, face expression, eyes - they all are cues.

But, in reality, these photos are all "staged". By this, I mean someone carefully selects which photos actually get posted to expose the "appropriate" cues. From my perspective, it's no different than your favorite scripted television show or a carefully choreographed news conference.



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19 Jan 2015, 4:05 am

The striking difference between girls and guys on tinder is the frequency of activity, I checked a sample of profiles of both gender, and most girls were Active 1 month / 1 week / x days / and at best, 19 hours ago while most guys were active last 40 minutes and so or couple of hours and that was during evening.