What DOESN'T count as Nice Guy behavior?

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29 May 2016, 11:09 am

When people call you a "Nice Guy", it means they think you're manipulative and insincere.
Not to be confused with a nice guy.



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29 May 2016, 11:18 am

I don't really know what it means. Though from what I've seen most people that claim to be nice guys tend to be boring pricks.

I act how I think I ought to act. Of course, I'm friendless and alone, so maybe I'm not a good person to take inspiration from.



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29 May 2016, 11:20 am

YippySkippy wrote:
When people call you a "Nice Guy", it means they think you're manipulative and insincere. Not to be confused with a nice guy.
A "Nice Guy" habitually capitulates to women's whims ("Yes, dear") ... is afraid to lose the woman he is with ("Please, don't leave me!") ... has zero leadership ability ("Whatever you want") ... lacks confidence ("Do you like me? Do you really like me?") ... and, worst of all has thinly-veiled ulterior motives (he can't keep his eyes and hands off of her).

It's easy to see why "Nice Guys" easily slip from the "Friend Zone" right into the "Creep Zone".



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29 May 2016, 11:26 am

Fnord wrote:
YippySkippy wrote:
When people call you a "Nice Guy", it means they think you're manipulative and insincere. Not to be confused with a nice guy.
A "Nice Guy" habitually capitulates to women's whims ("Yes, dear") ... is afraid to lose the woman he is with ("Please, don't leave me!") ... has zero leadership ability ("Whatever you want") ... lacks confidence ("Do you like me? Do you really like me?") ... and, worst of all has thinly-veiled ulterior motives (he can't keep his eyes and hands off of her).

It's easy to see why "Nice Guys" easily slip from the "Friend Zone" right into the "Creep Zone".


Some of this is blatant generalization. My father gets blasted if he doesn't do what he's told when he's told to. Believe me, my mother does not want a man that refuses to follow instructions and thinks he can boss her around.



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29 May 2016, 1:12 pm

Fnord wrote:
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When people call you a "Nice Guy", it means they think you're manipulative and insincere. Not to be confused with a nice guy.
A "Nice Guy" habitually capitulates to women's whims ("Yes, dear") ... is afraid to lose the woman he is with ("Please, don't leave me!") ... has zero leadership ability ("Whatever you want") ... lacks confidence ("Do you like me? Do you really like me?") ... and, worst of all has thinly-veiled ulterior motives (he can't keep his eyes and hands off of her).

It's easy to see why "Nice Guys" easily slip from the "Friend Zone" right into the "Creep Zone".


Not at all. Males are very good at labeling perfectly normal things as creepy behavior when it doesn't match their preferences. They don't do this for the well-being of women, but so they can have access to more women themselves. Most ND relationship behaviors thus have been characterized as everything from criminal behavior to psychiatric disorders and creepy behavior. A good indicator that something is an ND relationship preference is that it is considered bad, creepy or immoral by the NT majority. The SJW types are an excellent example of a group of males pushing an agenda that is not altruistic, and the accepting attitude of catcalling, ONS, FWBs, prostitution and a huge online sex industry is not altruistic either. You can be sure this serves the wants and needs of specific groups of males.



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29 May 2016, 2:13 pm

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There are no rules. That's the frustrationg thing. If you try, you fail. If you don't try, you fail.

I have no idea how other people manage to find other people who want to have a relationship with them. No idea.

I think it's falseness that people don't really like and that's what gets someone labeled as a "nice guy". IF they think you have an ulterior motive that you are trying to cover up with nice behaviour that will push people away.

Indeed screwed either way.



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29 May 2016, 4:02 pm

Now, a "Good Guy" (as opposed to a "Nice Guy") treats all women well, regardless of sexual attractiveness, is not focused on "getting laid", takes charge of his own life (not hers), keeps his options open (doesn't obsess women), and keeps his standards high, both for himself and for others - a man attracts the women he deserves.

Women continue to seek out good men.



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29 May 2016, 4:36 pm

The thing is, most "Nice Guys TM" that get insulted by SJWs are extremely careful about what they say about women. It's just when SJWs attack him, is when he usually resorts to words like "b***h" and "c**t". Either that or their message gets photoshopped.

You know what? I think I'll hire a lawyer and get any nice-guy-bashing website shut down. Shouldn't it be illegal to post somebody's private Facebook messages with their name or image intact?



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29 May 2016, 5:50 pm

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The thing is, most "Nice Guys TM" that get insulted by SJWs are extremely careful about what they say about women. It's just when SJWs attack him, is when he usually resorts to words like "b***h" and "c**t". Either that or their message gets photoshopped.

You know what? I think I'll hire a lawyer and get any nice-guy-bashing website shut down. Shouldn't it be illegal to post somebody's private Facebook messages with their name or image intact?



Have messages you sent been made public then?



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29 May 2016, 5:58 pm

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The thing is, most "Nice Guys TM" that get insulted by SJWs are extremely careful about what they say about women. It's just when SJWs attack him, is when he usually resorts to words like "b***h" and "c**t".
And that's when their true attitudes are revealed. The thing about Nice Guys (tm) is their behavioral pragmatism - that is, they may seem to be "Good Guys" with all of their courtly manners and genteel attentiveness - but they're really just behaving that way in the hope of getting laid.
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Either that or their message gets photoshopped. You know what? I think I'll hire a lawyer and get any nice-guy-bashing website shut down. Shouldn't it be illegal to post somebody's private Facebook messages with their name or image intact?
It isn't illegal under "fair use" laws if the "private" message expressing misogyny was posted by the sender or the recipient, although it may be against the Rules on some websites. Once a message becomes public, it's often impossible to delete it from every location it appears on.

The better way is to send private messages that relate factual data in a non-judgmental form, or to limit private messages to words of encouragement and support.

One of the saddest situations is when a person is publicly a saint, and turns into a soul-wrenching demon in private. Even more sad is when that person pretends to have never said anything bad about anybody, even when the evidence is publicly shown for all to see.



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29 May 2016, 6:14 pm

SJWs are a cancer on the Earth.



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29 May 2016, 6:34 pm

rdos wrote:
Seems to be a huge overlap between them.

Ok, show me a statistic about NTs and SJWs.
On this forum there are some people who like to throw s**t at NTs for everything, it would be wise not to favour such behaviours, if there is no need.
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Even if it doesn't happen to you, it can happen to other people. People are different.
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Also, this is extra disastrous for many NDs that easily gets obsessed. Can easily lead to stalking and all kinds of nasty things.

If they do such things it's because they are jerks, not just because of their Asperger's.
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a man attracts the women he deserves.

Women continue to seek out good men.

There is no "women", they don't have a common brain. They have individual tastes and some even like jerks and are open about it.



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29 May 2016, 8:06 pm

Fnord wrote:
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The thing is, most "Nice Guys TM" that get insulted by SJWs are extremely careful about what they say about women. It's just when SJWs attack him, is when he usually resorts to words like "b***h" and "c**t".
And that's when their true attitudes are revealed. The thing about Nice Guys (tm) is their behavioral pragmatism - that is, they may seem to be "Good Guys" with all of their courtly manners and genteel attentiveness - but they're really just behaving that way in the hope of getting laid.


That's because SJWs are such horrible people that even the nicest guys on Earth would hate them.

I'd hate them even if I was gay!



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29 May 2016, 8:23 pm

A man who gets mad at a woman and shouts "b***h" or "c**t" is no different than a man who gets mad at a black person and shouts "n****r". Both reveal something important about how that man views the entire race/gender.



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29 May 2016, 8:47 pm

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A man who gets mad at a woman and shouts "b***h" or "c**t" is no different than a man who gets mad at a black person and shouts "n****r". Both reveal something important about how that man views the entire race/gender.


It's no worse than calling men "a**holes" and "jerks".



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29 May 2016, 9:27 pm

But it's not quite the same, either. Because the words directed at women by angry men are gender specific (one means female dog and the other means female genitals) and imply that the person in question is fulfilling negative female stereotypes or going about being female the wrong way. The latter terms, while more commonly applied to men, refer to a body part (the anus) and a behavior (masturbation) that are common to both sexes.

Also, it's not just in response to Social Justice Warriors that fake Nice Guys use gendered insults. In fact, when I first read about them nearly a decade ago, they were described as using these terms in response to rejection from the women they have a crush on, be it an explicit rejection or the more subtle form called "friendzoning."

I should also mention that there is a straight white male equivalent of Social Justice Warriors that many frustrated fake Nice Guys tend to get into: Men's Rights Activists (MRAs). They are the supervillains to the mainstream SJW feminist's superhero complex. And they're at least as self-parodying as the SJW feminists are.



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