15 Sep 2023, 10:14 am
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15 Sep 2023, 12:12 pm
Cigalle33 wrote:
Jamesy wrote:
Cigalle33 wrote:
If I loved somebody very much, as I did my ex partner, that would definitely not drive me to leave them at all.
I would 100% stay with somebody I loved, even if they had horrific burns.
If you love somebody why would something like that mean you left them?
Unless it put you in a nursing role or something and you couldn't actually fulfill all their complex needs medically, which is a different matter.
It would only make me love them more really.
How awful for him though
I would 100% stay with somebody I loved, even if they had horrific burns.
If you love somebody why would something like that mean you left them?
Unless it put you in a nursing role or something and you couldn't actually fulfill all their complex needs medically, which is a different matter.
It would only make me love them more really.
How awful for him though
His attacker is going to be released from prison soon apparently because three judges deemed him not to be a danger to society.
That's terrible.
I personally think that acid attacks are serious and grave enough in nature to be given whole life terms.
If the UK still had a death penalty I'd be in favour of people who commit acid attacks getting the death penalty.
They are about as serious as it is possible to get, it is an extremely cruel and grave act indeed.
I don't think he should be let out.
Nobody who commits an acid attack should be let out of prison again.
The risk to the general public is too high, quite aside from how serious and abhorrent the offence also is.
I would see such people as a danger to society, although are they saying this person isn't because he chose to do it for revenge for another abhorrent act (but just got the wrong person)?
That doesn't make him any less dangerous.
It's not acceptable to throw acid at anybody.
I actually think stabbing/shooting etc. somebody to death would be less cruel than mutilating them for life.
What if this person takes "revenge" again and targets the wrong person **again** ??
How is the risk to the general public too high to let someone out of prison after they've served their sentence for this?
He wasn't a serial random attacker.. it was a one off crime of passion - targeted. Wrong target, but it was targeted. He got caught, charged, convicted, sentenced, served his time for doing the crime and is now set to be released - as he should be, IMO.
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goldfish21 wrote:
Cigalle33 wrote:
Jamesy wrote:
Cigalle33 wrote:
If I loved somebody very much, as I did my ex partner, that would definitely not drive me to leave them at all.
I would 100% stay with somebody I loved, even if they had horrific burns.
If you love somebody why would something like that mean you left them?
Unless it put you in a nursing role or something and you couldn't actually fulfill all their complex needs medically, which is a different matter.
It would only make me love them more really.
How awful for him though
I would 100% stay with somebody I loved, even if they had horrific burns.
If you love somebody why would something like that mean you left them?
Unless it put you in a nursing role or something and you couldn't actually fulfill all their complex needs medically, which is a different matter.
It would only make me love them more really.
How awful for him though
His attacker is going to be released from prison soon apparently because three judges deemed him not to be a danger to society.
That's terrible.
I personally think that acid attacks are serious and grave enough in nature to be given whole life terms.
If the UK still had a death penalty I'd be in favour of people who commit acid attacks getting the death penalty.
They are about as serious as it is possible to get, it is an extremely cruel and grave act indeed.
I don't think he should be let out.
Nobody who commits an acid attack should be let out of prison again.
The risk to the general public is too high, quite aside from how serious and abhorrent the offence also is.
I would see such people as a danger to society, although are they saying this person isn't because he chose to do it for revenge for another abhorrent act (but just got the wrong person)?
That doesn't make him any less dangerous.
It's not acceptable to throw acid at anybody.
I actually think stabbing/shooting etc. somebody to death would be less cruel than mutilating them for life.
What if this person takes "revenge" again and targets the wrong person **again** ??
How is the risk to the general public too high to let someone out of prison after they've served their sentence for this?
He wasn't a serial random attacker.. it was a one off crime of passion - targeted. Wrong target, but it was targeted. He got caught, charged, convicted, sentenced, served his time for doing the crime and is now set to be released - as he should be, IMO.
I explained my opinion above.
Acid attacks are extremely grave, cruel and sadistic in nature and should be responded to with Whole Life Orders/Terms in my opinion.
Even just to deter other potential attackers, because of how devastating the after-effects of such attacks are to victims and their loved ones.
That's my sincere, considered opinion about *ALL* such attacks, irrespective of the supposed motivation (as if a specific "revenge" agenda somehow justifies such depravity, or makes it less grave).
Take it or leave it
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15 Sep 2023, 1:34 pm
Leave it.
That’s why you’re not a judge. Sentencing is based on legal precedent, not your biased emotions.
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15 Sep 2023, 2:44 pm
funeralxempire wrote:
Jamesy wrote:
Sexually assaulting a family member is no excuse to throw acid in someone’s face or murder them for that matter. If you want revenge on someone get them put in prison by the police.
Legally speaking, you're right.
But, if someone SA'd a relative or good friend of mine it would be very difficult to not leave them looking like they lost a fight with a chimpanzee.
I think a lot of people don’t fully realize the lasting effects that being SA’d can have on a person. I don’t understand it completely even though I’ve lived it.
15 Sep 2023, 2:57 pm
TwilightPrincess wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
Jamesy wrote:
Sexually assaulting a family member is no excuse to throw acid in someone’s face or murder them for that matter. If you want revenge on someone get them put in prison by the police.
Legally speaking, you're right.
But, if someone SA'd a relative or good friend of mine it would be very difficult to not leave them looking like they lost a fight with a chimpanzee.
I think a lot of people don’t fully realize the lasting effects that being SA’d can have on a person. I don’t understand it completely even though I’ve lived it.
The same applies to any abuse.
It causes lifelong damage.
I experienced sustained, sadistic bullying by my older brother and terrible emotional abuse from both parents and it affects me severely on a daily basis.
I don't think it's an excuse to commit an acid attack however.
There are people who have hurt me so badly it has pushed me to wanting to end my life, but if I threw acid at them I wouldn't consider it a rational or legitimate response.
I actually would like to kill or maim with my bare hands certain people who bullied me so badly, but it's not acceptable to kill somebody else.
(Even though the person I have in mind deserves it).
15 Sep 2023, 3:04 pm
I think that killing someone else would be justified in specific situations. The justice system does not always deliver justice.
If someone abused my kid, 
. That would be worse than someone abusing me.
People have different ideas about what is or isn’t acceptable in specific contexts.
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15 Sep 2023, 4:28 pm
Cigalle33 wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
Leave it.
That’s why you’re not a judge. Sentencing is based on legal precedent, not your biased emotions.
That’s why you’re not a judge. Sentencing is based on legal precedent, not your biased emotions.
My suggestion is that the legal precedent for such attacks ought to be changed, not for emotional reasons, but because such attacks warrant the severist penalty.
Lucy Letby isn't getting a Whole Life Order for biased emotional reasons, because she killed "cute babies" or something like that.
It's because she's so dangerous.
(Her means and methods were extremely sinister).
So are people who commit acid attacks (extremely dangerous).
Anybody who goes to the extremes of planning and orchestrating such an attack is incredibly sinister and dangerous.
That's a fact
In this case, to their intended target, not the general public.
That’s a fact.
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