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11 Aug 2013, 6:09 am

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This is kind of a sidebar issue.

Before I met my wife, I tried "dating" the single and available Caucasian women around me. They all turned me down. After I met my wife, and it became generally known that we were dating, the very same Caucasian women seemed unhappy about it.

Where I worked at the time, there were several racks of comm equipment along one wall. My job was to make periodic checks on the equipment, and the access points were behind the racks. One day I was behind the racks, doing my job, when a few of the women gathered up front (apparently, they didn't know I was there). Almost immediately, they started talking about my girlfriend (future wife) and I. They said things like: "I really hate those Asian girls - coming to our country and stealing our jobs and our men ..." and "What is it with Fnord? Why does he have to date one of those <bleeping> Asian girls when there are plenty of us white girls to ask out?" and "Stupid men and those <bleeping> <racist epithets>, anyway ...".

They didn't want this white guy, yet they complained when this white guy started dating an Asian girl. What the fork? :wink:


Returning to this question, I recently watched (on the recommendation of a strident Feminist) the movie The Stepford Wives.

One scene in the movie reminded me of one of the key unpleasant characteristics of our women

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHFWjZ1d7Vc[/youtube]

Our women love nothing better than to get together to whine, moan and complain, generally about men. And, they will exaggerate things to try to outdo each other how despicable their men are. And, they will exchange tips about how to manipulate their men into doing what they want.

Fnord (and others) can back me up on this: an Asian wife would absolutely never publicly denigrate her husband. When Asian wives get together, they will also exaggerate, but typically in the other direction, and try to outdo each other over how great their husband is, his college degrees, professional achievements and awards, and what an excellent provider he is, and how wonderfully their children are doing in school. They're much more interested in saving face for their families, and it would be shameful for them to be perceived as seeking to humiliate their husbands.


To be honest I find that very untrue. Most of my female friends are white and asian and there is absolutely no difference between them complaning about men. I can't get around people of a certain race since my whole family is a great mozaique made of different ethnicities.
I don´t know how many Asian (or white) women you know on a personal level but I have met enough snide and two-faced Asian women in my life. Complaining to me about their relationship or family, but acting like nothing's wrong with their lives towards others.



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11 Aug 2013, 6:24 am

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What's annoying to most white women isn't that you praise Asian women, or women from any race in general. It's the fact that you denigrate white women to do it by making generalisations that might be very far from true in an individual.


Yep. I knew some guy that constantly praised mixed race women. Kept repeating how amazing mixed race people were, how loving, and caring, and wordly, and how they were the end to racism, at the expense of white women. He was almost obsessed with me for the mere fact that I was mixed race and nice to him. What a creep. I know many mixed race people that are not attractive at all and quite frankly not very 'wordly' either.



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11 Aug 2013, 7:33 am

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What's annoying to most white women isn't that you praise Asian women, or women from any race in general. It's the fact that you denigrate white women to do it by making generalisations that might be very far from true in an individual.


You're on a different continent than I am. Probably women in Europe are nicer.


Or maybe you've monsterised North American women of European descent in your mind by overgeneralising? I haven't met enough North Americans in real life to say, but the ones I have met in life and on the 'net don't seem particularly evil.


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11 Aug 2013, 7:49 am

It has to do with the country the person is brought up in. That really shapes their personality. I know Asians that were raised in America who aren't feminine and think they are the bees knees and then there's Asians like my ex who was from Vietnam and she was more caring and feminine then any other American girl I know.

Countries make or break people.



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11 Aug 2013, 7:55 am

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It has to do with the country the person is brought up in. That really shapes their personality. I know Asians that were raised in America who are b*****s and then there's Asians like my ex who was from Vietnam and she was more caring and feminine then any other American girl I know.

Countries make or break people.


It has more to do with their parents, their social class, their education, the actual city/region of the country they're from (I'm quite different from a middle class woman from rural Southern England in more ways than just my accent), what neurological conditions they might have, their sexuality (not everyone is 100% straight, even in the developing world), what their general life experience has been, etc, etc.

People are a bit complicated.


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11 Aug 2013, 8:06 am

puddingmouse wrote:
Or maybe you've monsterised North American women of European descent in your mind by overgeneralising? I haven't met enough North Americans in real life to say, but the ones I have met in life and on the 'net don't seem particularly evil.


Oh, some of our women are perfectly nice. When one talks about cultural norms, then of course one is generalizing. Not everyone fulfills one's cultural norms.



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11 Aug 2013, 8:36 am

I obsess about machines, blades, anything to do with working metal, or working things made from metal. Martial arts weapons too.
Nunchaku, bo, escrima, kama, katana, bo, kusarigama, wakazashi, tanto, tomahawk, shiruken, warhammer, bola, morning star, dirk, war club, mace, flail, naginata, sodegarami, gekken, ji, fu pa, crow bill, kukri, main gauche, nimcha, kris, jambiya, yataghan, khanjar, katara, kora, pesh kabs, piha ketta, bichwa, wrist knife of the turkana people of kenya, chakram, jian, toledo steel, talwar, battle axe, great sword and tulwar.


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11 Aug 2013, 8:41 am

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I obsess about machines, blades, anything to do with working metal, or working things made from metal. Martial arts weapons too.
Nunchaku, bo, escrima, kama, katana, bo, kusarigama, wakazashi, tanto, tomahawk, shiruken, warhammer, bola, morning star, dirk, war club, mace, flail, naginata, sodegarami, gekken, ji, fu pa, crow bill, kukri, main gauche, nimcha, kris, jambiya, yataghan, khanjar, katara, kora, pesh kabs, piha ketta, bichwa, wrist knife of the turkana people of kenya, chakram, jian, toledo steel, talwar, battle axe, great sword and tulwar.


So how does this affect the ethnicity of the women you wanna show your weapon to? :P


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11 Aug 2013, 9:23 am

Now wait a minute. Speaking of double standards, PuddingMouse was generalizing, too: Englishmen versus Japanese men. Granted, the comparison was flattering for the English. But, there must be some Japanese men who would be supportive of a wife's career ambitions, and some Englishmen who would like nothing more than a traditional Japanese wife to whom to come home, and to take care of his aging parents.



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11 Aug 2013, 9:27 am

puddingmouse wrote:
lost561 wrote:
It has to do with the country the person is brought up in. That really shapes their personality. I know Asians that were raised in America who are b*****s and then there's Asians like my ex who was from Vietnam and she was more caring and feminine then any other American girl I know.

Countries make or break people.


It has more to do with their parents, their social class, their education, the actual city/region of the country they're from (I'm quite different from a middle class woman from rural Southern England in more ways than just my accent), what neurological conditions they might have, their sexuality (not everyone is 100% straight, even in the developing world), what their general life experience has been, etc, etc.

People are a bit complicated.


That all directly relates to the country a persons from IMO.



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11 Aug 2013, 9:50 am

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Now wait a minute. Speaking of double standards, PuddingMouse was generalizing, too: Englishmen versus Japanese men. Granted, the comparison was flattering for the English. But, there must be some Japanese men who would be supportive of a wife's career ambitions, and some Englishmen who would like nothing more than a traditional Japanese wife to whom to come home, and to take care of his aging parents.


I didn't do the generalising, my friend at university did. She was friends with another Japanese girl who I also knew who had a Japanese boyfriend who was very modern. I think the younger generation in Japan are a bit more diverse in their attitudes to relationships and family - and you've always had eccentric people there who are different.


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11 Aug 2013, 9:53 am

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lost561 wrote:
It has to do with the country the person is brought up in. That really shapes their personality. I know Asians that were raised in America who are b*****s and then there's Asians like my ex who was from Vietnam and she was more caring and feminine then any other American girl I know.

Countries make or break people.


It has more to do with their parents, their social class, their education, the actual city/region of the country they're from (I'm quite different from a middle class woman from rural Southern England in more ways than just my accent), what neurological conditions they might have, their sexuality (not everyone is 100% straight, even in the developing world), what their general life experience has been, etc, etc.

People are a bit complicated.


That all directly relates to the country a persons from IMO.


No, it doesn't. I'm British but that doesn't tell you much compared to saying 'I'm British, from Manchester, upper-working class and university educated'. The fact that I'm from the small number of educated working-class Northerners in Britian says a lot more about what sort of person I am than just saying I'm British. My parents had a huge impact because they value hard work and education, which not a lot of people from my background do. They fact that they were bringing me up 'differently' to everyone else in my class made me what I am.


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11 Aug 2013, 10:08 am

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I obsess about machines, blades, anything to do with working metal, or working things made from metal. Martial arts weapons too.
Nunchaku, bo, escrima, kama, katana, bo, kusarigama, wakazashi, tanto, tomahawk, shiruken, warhammer, bola, morning star, dirk, war club, mace, flail, naginata, sodegarami, gekken, ji, fu pa, crow bill, kukri, main gauche, nimcha, kris, jambiya, yataghan, khanjar, katara, kora, pesh kabs, piha ketta, bichwa, wrist knife of the turkana people of kenya, chakram, jian, toledo steel, talwar, battle axe, great sword and tulwar.


Remind me not to come to your house.
Especially remind me not to make a nuisance of myself at your house.



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11 Aug 2013, 10:52 am

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appletheclown wrote:
I obsess about machines, blades, anything to do with working metal, or working things made from metal. Martial arts weapons too.
Nunchaku, bo, escrima, kama, katana, bo, kusarigama, wakazashi, tanto, tomahawk, shiruken, warhammer, bola, morning star, dirk, war club, mace, flail, naginata, sodegarami, gekken, ji, fu pa, crow bill, kukri, main gauche, nimcha, kris, jambiya, yataghan, khanjar, katara, kora, pesh kabs, piha ketta, bichwa, wrist knife of the turkana people of kenya, chakram, jian, toledo steel, talwar, battle axe, great sword and tulwar.


So how does this affect the ethnicity of the women you wanna show your weapon to? :P

It shows I have a colorful taste for culture, and enjoy what any woman's home country had to show if I were to visit. It might even be easier to win approval from her family, even if I had to earn it. I always enjoy what elders have to tell about their lives as well, so much better than books.


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11 Aug 2013, 11:02 am

Tequila wrote:
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I obsess about machines, blades, anything to do with working metal, or working things made from metal. Martial arts weapons too.
Nunchaku, bo, escrima, kama, katana, bo, kusarigama, wakazashi, tanto, tomahawk, shiruken, warhammer, bola, morning star, dirk, war club, mace, flail, naginata, sodegarami, gekken, ji, fu pa, crow bill, kukri, main gauche, nimcha, kris, jambiya, yataghan, khanjar, katara, kora, pesh kabs, piha ketta, bichwa, wrist knife of the turkana people of kenya, chakram, jian, toledo steel, talwar, battle axe, great sword and tulwar.


Remind me not to come to your house.
Especially remind me not to make a nuisance of myself at your house.

The man/woman is always stronger in mind and body than his/her weapon. I have several tomahawks, big knifes, a machete, a bunch of smaller knifes, several throwing blades, and a pick axe. The other stuff is just stuff I want to collect. If you came to my house, I might already have moved out, and started collecting fine east asian art and weapons. I would have some bows and arrows too. Also a tea collection to go with my Japanese tea pot. Also a practice room for mma, I could go on, but that is for another day.
"A weapon is never a killer, it is a tool in the killer's hands."


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11 Aug 2013, 11:18 am

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[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GImhqWN0bNY[/youtube]


Btw, people who say "I don't date of my own race ___ but I prefer X race" are usually very shallow people, like those Asian girls in this video.

They give weak excuses, like "ohhh asian guys are shy" - but it's a big fat lie, there are millions of Asian guys so all personality types and mentalities exist among them, even among Asians living in their countries, so really all this type about "they're not compatible with me" and yada yada don't make sense.


There's only ONE reason why those Asian girls prefer white guys: LOOKS LOOKS LOOKS LOOKS AND NOTHING ELSE BUT LOOKs. It's not about personality because white guys are as diversified as Asians when it comes to personality types and mentalities, it's all about the European physical attributes, that's ONLY one thing that all white guys share.

Same for Caucasian guys who only like Asian Girls: LOOKS, the Asian physical attributes, is the only reason, it's the only one factor that ALL Asian girls share, and of course it's not personality nor mentality as I explained above.

It's the looks and the physical attributes, admit it.