Don't expect someone to love you
If it's any consolation men are the same with me. It's not gender specific. People make up excuses so as not to hurt feelings. That's just how people are. Do you really want someone to be upfront and say, no I don't want to date you because of x,y,z? I dunno if that would help me or just crush me more.
You will still get hurt in both ways, being upfront and as well finding out. It still have same results, even from my experiences for many years of getting same kinds of rejections. its dishonesty and lack of transparency. It feeds in wrong choice and decision. Why no one would feel flattered when someone likes you? It seems so lack of interest happening when people say that, instead making an alternative to poor choice relationships with someone else.
No one has to feel flattered when someone else likes them. It's very individual. You like who you like. Their alternative choice is not necessarily a bad choice either. It is their choice to make and many factors come in to play. Things we may not even understand.
Long story short, everyone is an individual with different values. We all have to find what we feel is a comfortable fit. Logic only plays a small part in this process, the rest is attraction and gut instinct.
Also, people feel uncomfortable telling other people what they don't like about them. You can't actually expect people to do that. Rejecting someone else is an unpleasant task, only a sociopath would be comfortable rejecting someone.
Yes it would be helpful to learn what we're doing wrong, but berating the very human tendency to avoid conflict is counterproductive. That will never change, so there's no point stressing about it. It's a waste of time saying, "if only people would be straight up about how they feel." it's not ever going to happen. We all just have to muddle through and try our best.
If anything, it is more 'sociopathic' to be dishonest with people.
I find it very silly to call people 'sociopaths' just because they may be honest with someone they are rejecting even if it may hurt the other person's feelings.
People pretend to care about someone else's feelings by being dishonest with them because they know the truth would hurt the the person, but in doing so they are dishonest, which shows they don't even care enough about the other person's feelings to tell them the truth. Sociopaths would rather let people suffer in their blissful ignorance rather than telling them a hurtful truth.
Hurtful truths are far less hurtful than always being rejected and failing in your love life but NEVER knowing why.
Sometimes we really do need those blunt and honest people in our lives not afraid to point out what they believe our flaws are.
Something us aspies can usually be very good at.
True sociopaths aren't the aggressive people who enjoy openly hurting and insulting others; they are the lairs, the manipulative, the secretive, and the avoidant. Cowards.
It's a waste of time, doesn't mean those that are honest and open don't have a right to criticize those that aren't.
Either way, you can't just say telling white lies is any better than telling hurtful truths. I believe telling hurtful truths is better, but at the very least they can be no more than equal in dishonesty and a55hølery.
No I meant someone with something seriously wrong with them would enjoy hurting people. Generally people don't enjoy causing pain to others so they go for a soft approach. There may he a better word for that kind of person than "sociopath". Let's not get bogged down in semantics.
People won't change to do things the blunt direct way that aspies want. They will continue to be non-confrontational no matter how much we stamp our feet and say it isn't right.
Have you seen The Truth episode of Seinfeld
I always wondered why I fall into trap of not being wanted. I get so much anxiety, and its growing more as I start to age. 25 years old is considered late for not having experiences. I am not religious nor anything. I just have disabilities that is all.
My anxieties telling me how this generation tells me how superficial people when choosing partners. I am always left out, and that how I become a 25 year old dateless virgin like I said many times. I am not happy with that, but I am happy to have career, two degrees, friends, money, car family and so on. But I still want a relationship, since I am compassionate and affectionate person.
I am socially active person too and I am always out meeting andhanging with people. I dont get along with my own people like aspies and deaf people because they are so aggressive and ignorant in my city. So I stick to my hobbies and common interest environmentally like minded groups. I meet thousands of women, but still zero chances with constant rejection. Its so frustrating to me.
I totally understand. I was really upset the other day and saying to my friend, "there must be something wrong with me. I'm 34 and no one has ever wanted me." and she said, but look.at the good things you can do, you've got a good job, a nice apartment and good friends. Look on the bright side. Which is easier said than done.
One of my other friends even asked her husband. You're a man, what's wrong with hurtloam? Why don't men like her. And he said, "nothing, I genuinely don't understand why she's single."
I can't help. But I do understand that frustration of not knowing what I'm doing wrong. All I can do is just focus on my hobbies and things that make me happy in other ways. I feel like I'm never going to pass the girlfriend test. So I'm trying to do what you said in the op and focus on other things. Because thinking about and analysing why I'm single is just making me more angry and sad.
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So in your opinion, being mature is being NT? As I already wrote, that's not something I want. I get along fine with NTs, but it's just a shallow play and stock phrases, and definitely not something I'd want to do with a partner.
Disagree.
I've worked for about 30 years. Never been unemployed. You don't need to be mature in the NT sense to do that.
Whats wrong with these in their 20s? I always get lied at like for example:
- I am interested in her, been friends and things got so well. Then I asked her out in very calming and understanding way. Then she rejected me because she said that she want to focus on her studies and traveling which that is a common purpose for many people in their 20's is to get out there in the world and commit to things. Then found out she dating someone else.
So what is the hell going on ? I am 25 and still an incel. Why there no priorities get it right? Why I am always the one not get accepted? The more of this means there something wrong with me. I dont understand why it have to be so extremely human racing very competitively.
Easy to say. She is NT and you didn't trigger her courtship preferences. Also, the friend route is seldom leading anywhere. Unlike what you appear to think, relationships are not like getting a job for most people, so people are not making rational decisions.
hurtloam, the issue with people taking a 'softer approach' (which is a softer word for lying) is that they are perfectly fine with being dishonest to your face.
This destroys all evidence the person rejecting you really does care about your feelings and doesn't want to hurt you like they may claim.
It's more-so they're just saving their own skin than actually taking yours into account - they know rejecting someone harshly can result in said person becoming extremely sad or angry or frustrated or even lash out.
This issue is especially prevalent in high school but also young women who have to reject a male must do so in a soft way, especially if he is a stranger or acquaintance she doesn't know all that well.
Like I said, these people, male or female, are just cowards. They avoid the potential onslaught of the rejected.
I guess you could say it's remaining polite and picking your battles, but as it's already been shown countless times not just by aspie but even N.T.'s, people do have a problem with being lied to and rejected 'politely'. If anything it could result in just as much sadness and anger from the rejected as if you were honest.
Simply put rejected people will be extremely hurt no matter how you go about rejecting them, so perhaps the best way truly is to actually give them some constructive criticism on how they could improve/do better next time, in which almost none of them ever do.
I have heard of cases of people who actually say "I'd like to date you, you're a good person, but I'm just not attracted to you."
This at the very least gives a REASON for the rejection.
Because if you keep getting rejected but no one ever gives you a reason, your self-esteem will take a toll and you'll actually start to think something's wrong with you.
Even if the reality is you're perfectly fine, the just weren't attracted/available in some way. Well, you'll never know unless you were told.
My anxieties telling me how this generation tells me how superficial people when choosing partners. I am always left out, and that how I become a 25 year old dateless virgin like I said many times. I am not happy with that, but I am happy to have career, two degrees, friends, money, car family and so on. But I still want a relationship, since I am compassionate and affectionate person.
I am socially active person too and I am always out meeting andhanging with people. I dont get along with my own people like aspies and deaf people because they are so aggressive and ignorant in my city. So I stick to my hobbies and common interest environmentally like minded groups. I meet thousands of women, but still zero chances with constant rejection. Its so frustrating to me.
Anyone can be superficial, unfortunately. But, ask yourself this--do you want to attract a superficial person or a person who's right for Ecomatt? You're a unique person with specific views on specific subjects which I think most people don't even consider. This is a good thing. You might be happier thinking about a quality relationship rather than the quantity of experiences you think you should have. I've wasted too much time in the past doing the same thing, especially at your age. It just leads to unhappiness. There are no perfect lives.
I bet there are women out there like you, who may lack experience, but have great personalities and great personal interests. You'll just have to be patient in finding great people. I think pretty much all of us have to be.

Even if the reality is you're perfectly fine, the just weren't attracted/available in some way. Well, you'll never know unless you were told.
This is a very difficult part of dating, but I don't think all of these people decide not to give reasons just because they're okay with lying. I think most people are afraid they will hurt your self-esteem more if they give every specific reason, and they care enough not to do this. They may also want to say more, but have trouble finding the right words because most people do not want to feel they are rejecting another. In other words, just because they reject a relationship with you, doesn't mean they think little of you as a person, but they fear you will think the latter.
Unfortunately, learning to move on when not given a reason is part of dating and relationships. If we were given reasons each time, we might fixate on them and then feel even worse.

Even if the reality is you're perfectly fine, the just weren't attracted/available in some way. Well, you'll never know unless you were told.
This is a very difficult part of dating, but I don't think all of these people decide not to give reasons just because they're okay with lying. I think most people are afraid they will hurt your self-esteem more if they give every specific reason, and they care enough not to do this. They may also want to say more, but have trouble finding the right words because most people do not want to feel they are rejecting another. In other words, just because they r
eject a relationship with you, doesn't mean they think little of you as a person, but they fear you will think the latter.
I think it is more likely that most people have no idea why they are not attracted to somebody or have no romantic interest for somebody. That's not a rational decision, rather is based on instincts. I'm sure I'm like that: I cannot make a rational decision that somebody that I find pleasant or interesting is a potential partner and get romantic feelings for her. It simply doesn't work like that.
Because of that, they really cannot tell you why they are not interested in dating or having a relationship with you.
Only if you go by quantity rather than quality.
Because of that, they really cannot tell you why they are not interested in dating or having a relationship with you.
^^ this!
Plus the fact that you're not owed an explanation. No one is. Even if you somehow managed to browbeat an ex into telling you a reason, there's a pretty good chance it wouldn't even be true -- they'd likely give an ego-sparing white lie. Closure's a myth.
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