are wp women a bad sample size
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Bill: Does this thread actually have a purpose beyond having a go at me? Or is this another attempt to find an excuse for your lack of success in dating while still managing to find an excuse at the same time to not do anything or not change your current methods?
Regardless - rule number one is not to treat anything like a monolithic entity - you have broken that rule on a number of occasions in women's discussion and L&D, mostly particularly whenever you talk to women or about women, and frankly, it's getting ridiculous now.
I think WP women are a good sample size, it's just that nobody has done an analysis of our relationship status and how many partner's we've had, WP women specifically have never used as a sample. At the moment saying that aspie women are more successful at dating and have had lots of partners can't be said with 100% surety (all the articles out there with %'s in them are conflicting IMO, one says guys have more success and the next says girls do and so forth and so forth). Y'know, we're right here. Why don't you start a new thread and collect data instead of making assumptions? I'll start one for the men and we can compare. We'll get someone unbiased and objective to do the math.
I'm not arguing here that women on average don't have more success, just that it's not as much success as you make it out to be, and I'd be interested in finding out the stats for myself. I don't care who's favour they end up in.
First numbers for the pool; 3 boyfriends in 10 years, haven't had sex in 6.
He was talking about me when I went through my "attempting to be NT" stage when I was undiagnosed, I didn't know what was wrong with me and therefore was determined to be as capable as an NT or better - I was very determined to learn social skills and burned myself out doing it.
I went on 75 first dates over a 2 year period.
Only about 20 of those ended up with a second date.
So yes - to say 75 "partners" is a clear over exaggeration.
I've had 3 boyfriends before - 2 of them came from those 2 years and 75 first dates.
One of them turned out to be an abusive a**hole and the other was lovely but we shouldn't have dated.
In summary - both were mistakes and I shouldn't have dated them.
As you can see it is not an accurate translation when it comes to relationships - the ASD still clearly interferes with the ablity to connect, as show by the terrible translation rate.
Essentially I can attract men via looks, but actually creating and sustaining a connection is terribly difficult.
Even if I manage to get a relationship - the AS interferes with it quite badly. In both of those relationships my AS caused massive issues, or made issues already existing worse.
I have only had one boyfriend where it was a viable and decent relationship, and that was when I was extremely young and basically from luck.
It was a useful learning experience but needlesss to say I don't do the traditional "dating" thing anymore because it simply doesn't work for me.
I have been on dates with 2 different guys this year (from Sept 2012 - now). Last year I went on no dates (Sept 2011-Sept 2012).
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Regardless - rule number one is not to treat anything like a monolithic entity - you have broken that rule on a number of occasions in women's discussion and L&D, mostly particularly whenever you talk to women or about women, and frankly, it's getting ridiculous now.
I think WP women are a good sample size, it's just that nobody has done an analysis of our relationship status and how many partner's we've had, WP women specifically have never used as a sample. At the moment saying that aspie women are more successful at dating and have had lots of partners can't be said with 100% surety (all the articles out there with %'s in them are conflicting IMO, one says guys have more success and the next says girls do and so forth and so forth). Y'know, we're right here. Why don't you start a new thread and collect data instead of making assumptions? I'll start one for the men and we can compare. We'll get someone unbiased and objective to do the math.
I'm not arguing here that women on average don't have more success, just that it's not as much success as you make it out to be, and I'd be interested in finding out the stats for myself. I don't care who's favour they end up in.
First numbers for the pool; 3 boyfriends in 10 years, haven't had sex in 6.
He was talking about me when I went through my "attempting to be NT" stage when I was undiagnosed, I didn't know what was wrong with me and therefore was determined to be as capable as an NT or better - I was very determined to learn social skills and burned myself out doing it.
I went on 75 first dates over a 2 year period.
Only about 20 of those ended up with a second date.
So yes - to say 75 "partners" is a clear over exaggeration.
I've had 3 boyfriends before - 2 of them came from those 2 years and 75 first dates.
One of them turned out to be an abusive a**hole and the other was lovely but we shouldn't have dated.
In summary - both were mistakes and I shouldn't have dated them.
As you can see it is not an accurate translation when it comes to relationships - the ASD still clearly interferes with the ablity to connect, as show by the terrible translation rate.
Essentially I can attract men via looks, but actually creating and sustaining a connection is terribly difficult.
Even if I manage to get a relationship - the AS interferes with it quite badly. In both of those relationships my AS caused massive issues, or made issues already existing worse.
I have only had one boyfriend where it was a viable and decent relationship, and that was when I was extremely young and basically from luck.
It was a useful learning experience but needlesss to say I don't do the traditional "dating" thing anymore because it simply doesn't work for me.
I have been on dates with 2 different guys this year (from Sept 2012 - now). Last year I went on no dates (Sept 2011-Sept 2012).
That's the part that so many like bill around here seem to either ignore or forget. They see womens numbers as success. But they don't think that dating isn't like other things with a guarantee of success. It can be argued that the higher number of dates of the women around here can mean they have a bit higher chances of finding success but again it isn't a guarantee. Its almost like the lottery, you can play all your life and never win or win on your first ticket. The same could be said about the disconnect on what people seem to be looking for and how hard it is to find either. Arguably sex by itself is easier for a woman to find, and a decent partner is just as hard while the ability to pick who you go after is more prominent of men. Not so coincidental it seems each side wants what the other has, men want the easy sex, women want the ability to pick who comes at them and not just reject every idiot that walks at them.
But that's a human problem. Its almost like we are programmed only to see what we gain and not what we have to give up for that gain. Its also what holds down a lot of rights movements.
75 dates is a huge amount though especially since a lot of them were people she first met via online. I've only met one person in real life that I first met online, and it was just somebody that I was buying an electronic device from which they were selling in a craigslist-ad. lol
Meeting people in real life that were first met online is extremely difficult. Probably due to the "tons of creeps on the internet" stereotype which I think isn't actually true for the most part.
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Meeting people in real life that were first met online is extremely difficult. Probably due to the "tons of creeps on the internet" stereotype which I think isn't actually true for the most part.

It wouldn't be that hard on OkCupid if you're either highly attractive or have very low standards. Or maybe go halfway on both. Either way, it's very possible.
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Meeting people in real life that were first met online is extremely difficult. Probably due to the "tons of creeps on the internet" stereotype which I think isn't actually true for the most part.

Only about half or maybe slightly less online. Others where from mutual acquaintances, random luck, or shared interests.
Didn't use OkCupid or whatnot - there is a local site here that is well used in my country.
I wouldn't say low standards. I had a general idea of what I was compatible with and provided they were roughly 75% of it I gave them a chance.
Actually I distinctly remember two dates with guys who were both HFA themselves - both who I met out through acquaintances.
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Meeting people in real life that were first met online is extremely difficult. Probably due to the "tons of creeps on the internet" stereotype which I think isn't actually true for the most part.

Only about half or maybe slightly less online. Others where from mutual acquaintances, random luck, or shared interests.
Didn't use OkCupid or whatnot - there is a local site here that is well used in my country.
I wouldn't say low standards. I had a general idea of what I was compatible with and provided they were roughly 75% of it I gave them a chance.
Actually I distinctly remember two dates with guys who were both HFA themselves - both who I met out through acquaintances.
I guess it pays to be able to blend in as NT and have actual friends through whom to meet others. Did you not have social anxiety, or did you find a way to overcome this also? I don't mean this in a challenging way like some other members, nor do I want to imply that it was easier for you in any way, or easier for women generally. I'm just frustrated at my inability to achieve similar things to the same extent as you and others like you who may have just as bad or even more severe autistic impairments than I do.
Would you be willing to respond to this thread also? I'm very interested in learning about your strategies. If I went on 75 dates, it would have to be through a website like OkCupid. I don't think I have the capacity to meet even one date through mutual friends since I'm not that close to anyone because I'm not comfortable talking to NT's.
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Meeting people in real life that were first met online is extremely difficult. Probably due to the "tons of creeps on the internet" stereotype which I think isn't actually true for the most part.

Only about half or maybe slightly less online. Others where from mutual acquaintances, random luck, or shared interests.
Didn't use OkCupid or whatnot - there is a local site here that is well used in my country.
I wouldn't say low standards. I had a general idea of what I was compatible with and provided they were roughly 75% of it I gave them a chance.
Actually I distinctly remember two dates with guys who were both HFA themselves - both who I met out through acquaintances.
Meeting 35-40 people via online over a couple years still sounds absolutely amazing to me though. But then again that "tons of creeps on the internet" stereotype is directed mainly at guys. lol
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Yeah.
The ex who was an abusive a**hole was from online. He turned out to have NPD.
I won't go into the things he did but sufficient to say I am not surprised that stereotype exists.
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Regardless - rule number one is not to treat anything like a monolithic entity - you have broken that rule on a number of occasions in women's discussion and L&D, mostly particularly whenever you talk to women or about women, and frankly, it's getting ridiculous now.
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how you doing kjas. let start, my relationship status has nothing to do with my opinion on this subject, nor do I ever care to sleeps thousands of women. I would rather sleep with a great wife or great gf a thousands time than 1000's of women (call me old fashion)
before I came on wp, I thought that both aspie men and women equally struggle in dating, and then started reading around and start notice
a pattern many women were or have been in relationship and where alot of men have never been in relationship.
I wonder why that is. now I don't know if wp represent aspie women on a whole, or is wp just a small minority of internet users who do well in dating.
for example on youtubes there are tons of conspriracy theorist, but in rl there is not that much of them.
maybe aspie women don't have it easy,
they still do better than men in dating (at least here, which may or may not represent the norm of aspergers)
( please note I did standup for bluerose who struggles in dating, and say that unattractive aspie women get treated unfairly,
there are aspie women like bluerose that get treated like crap and ignore by men, and I think that sucks for them too,
so I stand up for them, and I always said many men ignore or treat unattractive women poorly, and unattractive women
should also not be treated like crap by men ( unattractive women are not entitle to men, either but still men should nice to them,
at least for bluerose anyways)
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well, in real life. I don't talk to women about ''how dating is not equal among people with asperger'' and I don't think many people even
know what asperger is anyways.
well, in real life. I don't talk to women about ''how dating is not equal among people with asperger'' and I don't think many people even
know what asperger is anyways.
Why does it matter if Aspie woman have an easier time dating? Unless you have the power to grow a vagina, this benefits you and your situation zilch. It really only serves to annoy the women (and more enlightened men) on here.
While you may not talk about this stuff specifically in real life, the bitter and antagonistic attitude towards woman you've expressed on this board is extreamly unattractive. If it is in anyway reflective of how you react to woman IRL (and judging from a few of your threads, that's possible), I'm not surprised you are having issues.
Why does it matter if Aspie woman have an easier time dating? Unless you have the power to grow a vagina, this benefits you and your situation zilch. It really only serves to annoy the women (and more enlightened men) on here.
While you may not talk about this stuff specifically in real life, the bitter and antagonistic attitude towards woman you've expressed on this board is extreamly unattractive. If it is in anyway reflective of how you react to woman IRL (and judging from a few of your threads, that's possible), I'm not surprised you are having issues.
I told you, the point of this thread. should wp users be use for a national average for people with aspergers or does wp not represent the norm
for people with asperger when it comes to dating.
maybe 75% of aspie women do horrible in dating, but wp only has the top 25% of aspie women, and they are the one's who mostly post here.
and maybe 75% of aspie men do well dating, but it just the bottom 25% of aspie men, who post or complain here.
maybe there are an equal amount of aspie men who do well in dating, but never post here. or post in L and D section. or maybe there are aspie women who struggle in dating but never post here on this site or talk about it.
Im actual trying to prove myself wrong here. I saying ''well, maybe Im looking at this the wrong way, maybe I shouldn't take wp poster and use their succes in relationship as a national average''
since wp, is not a random sample and anyone can post here. so you may get ''bias'' results.
for example: anti gay folks would go on to some pro gay forum and read on the forum on the high number of partners gay men have,
and use at as an average among gay men, where it's only among gay men who post on the forum, not gay men on a whole.
or people who take survey from magazine and use it as a national average. so I take a runners magazine. runners world and the
runner world has a survey and 99% of runners like to eat s**t, according to the survery, but the survery only was answers by selective
group of runners who like to eat s**t and runners who also read runners world magazine. so does repsresent a national average.
not all runners read runners world or do all people take part of survey
hope I explain myself better here.
Yeah.
The ex who was an abusive a**hole was from online. He turned out to have NPD.
I won't go into the things he did but sufficient to say I am not surprised that stereotype exists.
That stereotype is also a major reason why success on sites like OKcupid is much much harder for guys. But people on this WP board almost never say that. Instead I only see reasons like "women get 10x more messages than guys" or "there's much more competition online".

That's weird nobody on here says that other reason even though it's a classic internet stereotype.
Why does it matter if Aspie woman have an easier time dating? Unless you have the power to grow a vagina, this benefits you and your situation zilch. It really only serves to annoy the women (and more enlightened men) on here.
While you may not talk about this stuff specifically in real life, the bitter and antagonistic attitude towards woman you've expressed on this board is extreamly unattractive. If it is in anyway reflective of how you react to woman IRL (and judging from a few of your threads, that's possible), I'm not surprised you are having issues.
I told you, the point of this thread. should wp users be use for a national average for people with aspergers or does wp not represent the norm
for people with asperger when it comes to dating.
Im actual trying to prove myself wrong here. I saying ''well, maybe Im looking at this the wrong way, maybe I shouldn't take wp poster and use their succes in relationship as a national average''
since wp, is not a random sample and anyone can post here. so you may get ''bias'' results.
hope I explain myself better here.
You've done nothing to adequetly explain your point. You've only just explained the futility of the question. What exactley are you trying to prove with a question that can never be verified and only serves to antagonize the female board members?
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