Shaming Tactics against males.

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Of course, but it is nonetheless a two way street on which it is better to be a woman.

Yeah I generally agree with what he is saying....

I would like to add that his first argument about being happy first seems to be a conundrum. A certain amount of outside acceptance is needed first be it influence, friends, romantic lover. We could argue all day long whether the chicken or the egg came first, but how many guys or girls have no friends, no lover, and can claim that they are happy? I haven't seen any.

His second argument on confidence is something that I have felt about for a while. "Confidence" seems to be more of a buzzword now more than ever. Along with words such as "creepy" and "awkward". LOOK, there are guys that were born with just the right amounts of brain chemicals serotonin etc, the right levels of testosterone, among other things, and the absence of mental disorders or deficiencies. Its called 'NT" more or less. Those guys statistically have proven to be more successful over guys with some kind of deficiency in the fields of dating. This is science

The quiet introverted kid or the regular average outgoing kid. Who has more natural testosterone? Who is going to end up more confident when the dating game rolls around?

Some guys have anxiety, depression, among other sh** to deal with that would hurt all areas of life. Yes it is everyone's responsibility to better themselves and keep working to fix those issues, but the fact is guys like us are at a disadvantage.

A guy with AS, or an average NT. The NT is going to get chosen 9/10 times probably. The traits that they have naturally, are more socially acceptable as attractive. So yes it is very condescending to hear society say "be more confident", nobody who isn't AS or a related condition will know what it is like to live with it.

So in that respect, confidence can't really be defined. Confidence in girls eyes and society, is just a posture, a style of speech, a certain flow and transition.....All things resembling an NT syntax.

Does Rivers Cuomo, or Mark Zuckerberg strike anybody as "confident" people? No. Does Steve-O frum Jackass seem confident. Yes That is the dumb illusion of confidence in my mind.

I just thought of another way of understanding those graphs. Let's say everyone in the world pairs off with each other, one man for every woman, no harems. The only two people left are the two most unattractive people in the world. The woman's fat and ugly, the man is an unaccomplished hermit oozing beta behaviour, who's also ugly as sin.

The man would rather be with her than with no one at all, the woman would sooner eat a bullet than be with him.

Yes, if they even know about them. If they do, all the man has to do is gently suggest that the second girl is not as important and subtly put them into competition with each other, you'd be devastated how many women tolerate that situation.

And your source for this fact is...?

I'm sure there are plenty of overweight women who will give you a chance. But they're not good enough for you, are they?

<sarcasm> Obviously, it's "personal experience." As we all know, anecdotes and personal observations carry much more weight than empirical evidence backed by peer-reviewed sources.

I've been in bars and clubs too. I've seen ugly males disdain fat chicks quite often. This PROVES that the last man on Earth wouldn't have sex with a fat chick, even if she was his only option. I've seen it in clubs and bars with my own two eyes and my fat female friends who have trouble getting dates will back me up; therefore it's PROVEN. Most, if not all, men act one way, and most, if not all, women act another. It's a fact. </sarcasm>

Now I remember why I took a vacation from internet forums. ..... My "stupidity tolerance bucket" overfloweth.

People ditch women with no social skills too you know.
And a lot of guys write off women with little sexual experience.

Seriously, get over yourselves and do something about it. The rest of us are trying.

I've never in my life met a man who juggles multiple women in a relationship. They turn up ocasionally on NZ dating, they're usually very average men in all departments, and they get torn to shreds on the dating site by men and women alike.

Ive been around a long time and never seen it on that scale.

Yes, if they even know about them. If they do, all the man has to do is gently suggest that the second girl is not as important and subtly put them into competition with each other, you'd be devastated how many women tolerate that situation. Women would rather share a top man than have a lesser man to themselves. The saying goes "5 mins of alpha is worth 5 years of beta".

Ah well they don't have to be that common (5%?) but its another one of those little things that adds up to the bottom half of men living in semi-permanent celibacy.

In my experience female cheating occurs a little differently, When a woman becomes infatuated with a new guy feelings for old guy go straight out the window in a flurry of rationalisations ("he emotionally neglected me, it's his fault I stray", "I was never really in love with him"). So women generally hop from one monogamous relationship to the other while men at least have the ability to maintain multiple amorous relationships.

I will say this: while I won't deny their existance, only the most pathetic men would deign to remain part of a harem, while one of the hottest girls I ever met in my youth (pre-red pill days) would spend her time moaning about the "other woman", yet willingly remained. They'd see each other once or twice a week, he wouldn't even let her spend the night after banging her.

The point of my graphs was that men show SOME level of sexual attraction for most women. To put it bluntly, upon seeing most women naked, men will get an erection. There are of course graduations and some girls are definitely more attractive than others. However, the graph is not true of women. If you aren't in the top 25% or more likely aren't the top guy in her available pool of men, then, to her, you have the sexual magnetism of a plank of wood.

In my world the ends often justify the means. Mocking, shaming, offending people into changing themselves is justified in my book. Telling people they are fine as they are, that "one day" they'll find someone, and that "society" has the problem not them is cruel in my opinion.

What parallel universe are you living in? Is New Zealand currently located in Bizarro world? Men don't give two s**ts about "social skills". Most guys love quiet, shy (read: submissive) women, if you can pander to his ego at the same time, you just hit the golden triad of personality traits. White guys don't fetishize Asian girls for their looks ya know. If you can't press your boobs into a guy and kiss him or if you sound like Doofy from Scary Movie, then yeah you have problems, but you can work on it. It's nothing compared to the social prowess expected of men in order to be attractive.

And writing off a woman with little sexual experience? WHAT THE HELL? NEWSFLASH! the less sexual experience a girl has the better!

"I'm sorry darling, this just isn't going to work out. You see, you didn't sleep with enough men before me. What a shame."

lol. no. If a guy has ever said that to you, I _guarantee_ it was something else, he told you that to make you feel better (by giving you a reason that would otherwise increase your value to EVERY other man on the planet)

Rare, yes, but they don't publicise it. Not even to other men, too many white knights out there who in out of concern for the girls (read: jealousy) would tip one of them off. Someone you know may be playing more than one woman against each other, he probably wouldn't tell you.

1. Your definition of obese is likely out, unless you are 5 foot 4 or something.

2. No, anyone, male of female who whines about no-one liking them is a liar. There is always someone bottom of "bottom" who will have you and have me. At least whine about no-one you WANT liking you.

Again it seems like woman have this self-serving idea that they are better, and that men are lower than them. Men like us have to settle for the "bottom" and not complain. I should be thankful that an obese woman would give me the light of day right?