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07 Sep 2011, 8:59 pm

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Yes obviously both hard it hard. but one-night stands really? Do we need to make a poll on how many girl vs guys are in a relationship right now? The percentage of guys who have never been in a relationship, vs the percentage of girls who have never been in a relationship?

your logic fails. a poll on WP would not be an equal number of males and females in the same demographic.

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Both have it hard, but its clear who has an easier time actually finding a partner. Any experience, even if bad is still more helpful than none at all. Just keep that in mind.

except that you are incorrect that women have an easier time finding a partner. they *may* sometimes have an easier time getting laid. that is all.

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And one-night stands? Really? This may come as a shock to some girls on here but, I don't think most guys are looking for one-night stands.

so then why are so many men saying it is easier for women?... it is only possibly easier in this exact arena. it's not easier in dating.


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07 Sep 2011, 9:01 pm

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The men who are smart figure out how to play the game :D


Real men know the game is rigged, the only way to win is not to play. Or be so overwhelmingly rich that you don't have too...

I wish I could be option 2.



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07 Sep 2011, 9:07 pm

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Any experience, even if bad is still more helpful than none at all. Just keep that in mind.


No, it isn't.

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And one-night stands? Really? This may come as a shock to some girls on here but, I don't think most guys are looking for one-night stands.


You don't speak for "most guys."


Neither do you for anything that you said. You are speaking from personal experience. Try telling a lonely guy that experience "doesn't help", just because you have had bad experiences.

And yes do we need to make such a poll? On here on this board with the people that come here, I would bet money if I knew you in real life that yes there are more celibate men than women, and probably by a good percentage too.

As far as a lasting relationship and happiness in life, sure that is equally as hard



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07 Sep 2011, 9:08 pm

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Like I said "Hate" is the wrong word. Just like "Racist", and"Prejudiced", like I have some type of mental bias or a vendetta against people that have done me wrong. Or an irrational hatred of people just because they aren't like me, or because I perceive myself to be better than them.

"Repulsed" is a more accurate word. "Repulsed" is a knee-jerk reaction. There is no thought, there is no deep down programming about it. If someone looks like a slob, I am repulsed. I would not want to be in their near proximity, much less date them. That is just their physical appearance, true. But that initial-judgement counts for alot.

Again reminding you that I don't "hate" anybody I don't know, but I can be disgusted. It is a natural reaction.

Would you be repulsed by a man wearing a swastika t-shirt? Yes of course you would. You don't know them personally. Maybe they didn't know what it meant. Do you have a right to judge someone that wears that. Yes you do.

it is not a natural reaction to be repulsed by obese people, just like it is not a natural reaction to be repulsed by super-thin people, or Maori people, or people with dwarfism.

here is a section on hate from wikipedia. i'd say you do, indeed, hate fat people:

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Hatred (or hate) is a deep and emotional extreme dislike, directed against a certain object or class of objects. The objects of such hatred can vary widely, from inanimate objects to animals, oneself or other people, entire groups of people, people in general, existence, or the whole world.


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07 Sep 2011, 9:12 pm

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I'm just... my jaw is on the floor ... I cannot believe... I'll have to take your word for it, but this is the first time I have ever heard of a man rejecting a woman because she didn't have enough experience in bed. I don't think it's ever happened in the history of man.

Possibilities? Lying to save your feelings? Said that already, that seems the most likely to me - it was probably the weight, sorry.
I can understand men leaving a woman who wouldn't do something he liked in bed, but that's not the same.
I have also witnessed schoolboys making fun of a girl who was fat "Nahnahnah you'll never get laid" that kind of thing. Cruel, but it's not quite the same as a rejection.


Clearly you haven't met many people or a diverse range of people in your life.



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07 Sep 2011, 9:14 pm

hyperlexian wrote:
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Yes obviously both hard it hard. but one-night stands really? Do we need to make a poll on how many girl vs guys are in a relationship right now? The percentage of guys who have never been in a relationship, vs the percentage of girls who have never been in a relationship?

your logic fails. a poll on WP would not be an equal number of males and females in the same demographic.


I already know the poll would fail, because now I have suspicion some people wouldn't be honest.

You are saying that there are 3 or 4 to 1 guys to girls ratio on this board. Ok then figure if you are girls moaning on the internet, the other underrepresented girls have to be doing better.

Also just the fact that either there are more guys who have "AS/Austism/related conditions" or that those traits are more distinguishable in guys have any kind of impact on your views whatsoever. Can you not see how that can be a big sign by itself?



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07 Sep 2011, 9:22 pm

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Clearly you haven't met many people or a diverse range of people in your life.


Nah, I know men pretty well, better than I know women. An unspoiled woman is attractive on such a primal level to every heterosexual guy on this planet that it cannot be true. Either they were lying to save your feelings or you are and it never happened.



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07 Sep 2011, 9:26 pm

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it is not a natural reaction to be repulsed by obese people, just like it is not a natural reaction to be repulsed by super-thin people, or Maori people, or people with dwarfism.

here is a section on hate from wikipedia. i'd say you do, indeed, hate fat people:

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Hatred (or hate) is a deep and emotional extreme dislike, directed against a certain object or class of objects. The objects of such hatred can vary widely, from inanimate objects to animals, oneself or other people, entire groups of people, people in general, existence, or the whole world.


Did you read what I wrote? I am not racist. Why are you talking about Maori people?

This argument should be closed immediately it is like I am talking to a brick wall. You and Hale keep distorting everything I say.

Yes I would be repulsed by an anorexic. They are clearly not healthy mentally or physically. It is a natural reaction. That does not mean that I hate them. I can only make judgements like that about people I know personally.

A dwarf can't help that he is short. A person's height cannot be changed. It doesn't have anything to do with personality.

Whereas extreme over or underweight can be a sign of mental instability, hence eating habits.

I am really shocked how you really seem to think I inherently "hate", when I am trying to explain a natural reaction, that you hypocritically won't admit to, because it isn't politically correct to do so. Get over yourself

If some "creepy" guy walked over to you and started hitting on you using half-assed PUA lines, you would be repulsed. Do you hate that guy? Do you know him? There is a big difference.



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07 Sep 2011, 9:26 pm

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What's wrong with my oft-cited "40% of men successfully reproduced in pre-history study here? Before you say, all men are rapists and we forced the women into it. Why didn't the the blueballed betas do the same thing it's pretty easy to get a woman pregnant with no contraceptives ya know? Why did women evolve a sex drive at all if they had no say in the matter? There is female choice present in that statistic.

this has nothing to do with anything. you're not really making much sense here.

i asked for a modern statistic... i guess that you don't have one?

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You know full well studies on this sort of thing are borderline taboo, for the same reason I don't scream "give me data" when you spout some drivel about there being more or less the same number of perma-single men as there are perma-single women. Or that women have it just as hard as men.
There are however studies that show women respond positively to a lot of things taught in Game. Another said women respond positively to narcissistic or psychopathic men. There's the fact that every serial killer in the world has a legion of female fans. I recall a study that said the number of children a man conceives correlates with the number of criminal convictions he acquires. I remember was a study that hinted to the existence of female preselection in mates. I also recall a study that showed that genital herpies in America (highly infectious, insidious disease - equally infectious to both sexes btw) was carried by twice as many women as men, it was held up as proof of hypergamy by the blogosphere, that a smaller minority of men were getting most of the sex. If you really want, I'll track them down again.

stats? data? ohhhh right... you're making stuff up again. silly you.

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I don't recall anything like that for the nature of female cheating however. But I am privy to the kind of crap that goes down in divorce courts on a daily basis. Women are vindictive cows in those courts, they do whatever they possibly can to deprive a man of as much money as they can and if possible access to his children, just to punish him - even if it's a "no fault" divorce! False accusations of assault or child molestation are common tactics (although in their defense, I've heard lawyers sometimes are the ones who suggest that).

men have higher income after divorce. it is a myth that women walk away richer. i wonder bother giving you actual stats, though i imagine if you wanted to see the truth you would have researched it long ago instead of citing your flimsy aneecdotes. you are playing a game to try to slander women in every way you can imagine. it is easy why you are a proponent of PUA... you simply have no respect for women.

false accusations of child molestation do happen. so do unreported incidents.

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I have more anecdotes that men's love fades like the embers in a fire, while womens fades like pouring a bucket of water over said fire, but why bother. Perhaps if you examined your own relationships and those of your friends honestly, you'd see there's more than a grain of truth there.

this statement is nonsense.

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Now you're just trying to hurt me. In fact the tone of your posts changed the second I made that older women rant. Don't feel bad, age waits for noone. Enjoy the cats.

i don't remember you mentioning that. all i remember is that you have been as nasty as possible to as many groups of women as you can think of. you haven't exactly said very many pleasant things about women on here.

did you think i am single? :lol:


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07 Sep 2011, 9:33 pm

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Clearly you haven't met many people or a diverse range of people in your life.


Nah, I know men pretty well, better than I know women. An unspoiled woman is attractive on such a primal level to every heterosexual guy on this planet that it cannot be true. Either they were lying to save your feelings or you are and it never happened.


Get a clue. Your opinion doesn't make up that of every man on the planet. A non virgin isn't seen as "spoiled" to most non old fashioned men on the planet. In fact, the majority of men I've come across (99%) prefer a woman with experience and treat virgins with no respect and/or paitence.

It was for this reason, after being thr brunt of being treated like a second class citezin I went and lost my virginity out of desperation a really horrible way. Why would one put herself through that if it was not based on truth?



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07 Sep 2011, 9:37 pm

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Not true.

It is much harder to be at the bottom of the totem pole if you are a man rather than a woman.

That is because sucessful men (or bad boy PUA) tend to monopolize multiple women, while the less attractive men are left to do without.

When monogamy was enforced by patriarchal religious customs, this was not the case.

With the advent of the sexual revolution human mating paterns are reverting back toward more primitive social arrangements that mirror what occurs in primate populations (Alpha males have a harem of multiple females, while a much larger number of males are excluded entirely).

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ummm first you speak of the problems with MODERN society, then give a source that references our ANCESTORS. if mating behaviours are, by your own admission, different today, then the problems are not the same and cannot be explained by our ancestry. nice try though.

it isn't harder for men at the bottom of the totem pole, unless you are talking purely about obtaining casual sex partners, and we are not.


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07 Sep 2011, 9:42 pm

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You are saying that there are 3 or 4 to 1 guys to girls ratio on this board. Ok then figure if you are girls moaning on the internet, the other underrepresented girls have to be doing better.

where did i say that there are 3 or 4 to 1?

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Also just the fact that either there are more guys who have "AS/Austism/related conditions" or that those traits are more distinguishable in guys have any kind of impact on your views whatsoever. Can you not see how that can be a big sign by itself?

a sign of what? that more men have autism?


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07 Sep 2011, 9:43 pm

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it isn't harder for men at the bottom of the totem pole, unless you are talking purely about obtaining casual sex partners, and we are not.


Do you have any idea of what you just said? Can anybody actually be that thick-headed? wow.......

That has to be one of the dumbest things I have ever heard anyone say.



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07 Sep 2011, 9:44 pm

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Clearly you haven't met many people or a diverse range of people in your life.


Nah, I know men pretty well, better than I know women. An unspoiled woman is attractive on such a primal level to every heterosexual guy on this planet that it cannot be true. Either they were lying to save your feelings or you are and it never happened.

really? EVERY one? because i spoke to several men who said that they would far rather have 70 experienced women than virgins should they ever be martyred. you are quick to insist your views are universally true and other people's are not.


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07 Sep 2011, 9:45 pm

lightening020 wrote:
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it isn't harder for men at the bottom of the totem pole, unless you are talking purely about obtaining casual sex partners, and we are not.


Do you have any idea of what you just said? Can anybody actually be that thick-headed? wow.......

That has to be one of the dumbest things I have ever heard anyone say.

is that really your very best argument? if you cannot keep a calm head about you, then you may want to step away from the debate.


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07 Sep 2011, 9:47 pm

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I am really shocked how you really seem to think I inherently "hate", when I am trying to explain a natural reaction, that you hypocritically won't admit to, because it isn't politically correct to do so. Get over yourself
hmmmm did you read anything else i wrote? it's not a natural reaction to be repulsed by fat people. i was using those examples of people like Maoris to show you other groups of people it is ALSO not natural to be repulsed by. it's also not natural to be repulsed by people with red hair.

i won't admit to being repulsed by fat people, because i am not repulsed. nothing hypocritical there.


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