Claims that a few "super hot men" are hogging all the women
Men have to stop thinking of women as mysterious beings.
People are individuals, not demographic trends.
Yeah but they can be strategic about it...that's where the data comes in handy
The problem with statistics is that they are often misapplied or made to fit someone’s preconceived notions.
Yeah true but these guys should go into "battle" with their eyes open
They might not be open in the right direction, though. That’s kind of the whole point of this thread.
Is there a right direction?
This current thread is closer to the mark than the concept of “alpha males.”
It’s better to work towards specific goals and make oneself interesting than to just give up because women only want a “super hot guy” which is often untrue.
I know several guys who are in relationships that many of you would say are undatable. Apparently, they weren’t.
Self-improvement (in areas that one can improve on. If you can’t work and are on disability, that doesn’t mean it’s impossible) and a positive attitude are key.
I don’t want a provider, traditionally masculine, take charge kind of guy and lots of other women don’t, either.
Being well-read, kind, and intelligent, are more important than anything else.
Actually, you want to know what's funny. When I was in college and during that time I refocused my priorities from trying to get dates to getting my degree. I focused on my studies and I quit thinking about getting a date and through a series of events I met the love of my life. I would be considered undatable as well. Yet, I'm happily married. How did that happen(rhetorical question)?
I also loved to write my own little stories and watch tv as well to pass the time when I wasn't doing my school work.
So, I think you're on to something Twilight. I don't know if you've ever heard of the paradox of happiness but the paradox says that if one tries to directly pursue happiness one won't get it but if one does not pursue it one eventually achieves it. Sometimes, one has to quit and refocus on other things.
As of right now, we're moving to China and I will be teaching Chinese kids English. How about that.
I'm about to get into some new agey stuff and no it is not scientific but maybe the universe or existence has a certain flow sort of like a river and when one learns to go along with this flow things are more likely to work for you in the end if you do not (No guarantees though.)
You know what's funny. I did the same thing and didn't meet anyone.
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You know what's funny. I did the same thing and didn't meet anyone.
There are no guarantees no matter what you do or don't do. But, certain things are more likely to happen or not happen if you do or don't do certain things. But sometimes ya got to change your focus to other things if nothing else to keep yourself from obsessing over something.
You know what's funny. I did the same thing and didn't meet anyone.
There are no guarantees no matter what you do or don't do. But, certain things are more likely to happen or not happen if you do or don't do certain things.
I could have more artfully constructed my response, but some topics get under my thick scaly hide and this can be one of them. I was feeling petty and was flippant in my response because well it felt good.
My point was that you were speaking from "survivor bias."
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Here, in the thread "Just be friendly.", the following was quoted:
https://www.thedailybeast.com/number-of-men-under-30-who-havent-had-sex-in-last-year-tripled-in-past-decade
One surprising result from the data was that a much larger than expected number of the sexless individuals were men. For most of the past three decades, men and women in their twenties reported similar rates of sexlessness. Since 2008, however, the share of men younger than 30 reporting no sex has nearly tripled—compared to an eight percentage point increase reported among females of the same age group.
I'm not of the same mind as Boo that this thread should be locked, but you have attributed beliefs to me that I never claimed to hold. I'm sure it's an honest misunderstanding, so I'll clarify my position.
That's not exactly what I said. What I said was that there is a decline in men having sex that is greater than the decline in women having sex. I think there are a few factors involved. One of which is online dating, or more specifically hook-ups through online dating.
I don't think "a few" men are monopolizing "all" the women. I do think though that men who are looking for a hook-up are more likely than women to "settle" for someone less attractive than they are. So men who are 8s might sleep with women who are 6s, and men who are 6s might sleep with women who are 4s for example. This could be leading to women believing that they can get better relationship partners than they can, and thus inflating their standards. Or they may just enjoy hooking up with better-quality men than they'd be able to be in a relationship with and decide not to date altogether.
If you are a man who is "bottom of the barrel", and women are looking upwards at higher value men than themselves, your prospects are pretty bad.
Other reasons for this decline could be female sexual fluidity as you suggested, as well as the fact that women outnumber men in colleges and universities, and college-educated women generally want a college-educated man where the opposite isn't really true. It's also the case that more men are staying home with their parents later than women and so that could contribute too. I don't think it's common for a woman who's moved out of home to want to date a man who still lives at home.
As to "claims by men here that they can't get laid because...", I have said several times on this site that certain unattractive traits are predictors for this romantic isolation, like living at home, being unemployed or underemployed, being overweight or obese, etc, so it's a gross mischaracterisation to assert that I'm not taking any ownership in my own traits that are working against me, or not giving ownership to others for theirs, and I'm just chalking it down to "oh well, it's women's fault I'm not getting laid".
Furthermore, something that is getting annoying is people hyperbolising and straw-manning my vuse a on self-improvement to attract women. I'll tell people that living at home, not making enough to sustain an independent living and being overweight and neglecting your health are generally not attractive to women, and then someone will go "oh you think women want this perfect man who has it all", and no, I don't. All I'm simply saying is that if you are failing to attract a woman and you have all the negatives I listed above, there's probably a causal link, and making improvements on even one of two of the negative predictors for success I listed above will probably improve your chances with women.
Oh, and don't quote me and then make inferences about what I might hlbe saying, because in this case you misconstrued it into something I never said and made a whole post attacking it.
I totally agree with you, Mona just shoved words in our months.
Notice that I haven’t even used the term “alpha males”, just “super hot men”, I was referring to the good looks only, to those who have an undeniable advantage in apps like Tinder.
Nor I did any blame game, just talking about a well known factor affecting the dating scheme.
And the title is also wrong, I said apps is making it easy for the average women *on dating apps* to sleep with “super hot men”; not that these super hot men are monopolizing all women; and certainly not the case in real life, otherwise the increasing gap would be more disastrous.
I stand with my position: this thread is defaming (thro the misinterpretation you pointed out) some members, whether it is intentional or not it doesn’t matter.
And I stil think it has to be locked, and oh break0 your insults and tantrums don’t scare me, I stand with what I said.
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If indeed that's true, then what's the solution?
Alas, I don't think it's realistic to try to get men to stop watching porn, given how easily available porn is in today's world.
But maybe it might be possible for men to be persuaded to watch a different kind of porn? Perhaps men should be encouraged to watch porn that is made by women, portraying sex as the women producers themselves like it, and showing the male viewer how to be a better lover? Perhaps if more men were to watch that kind of porn, more men would be better in bed and fewer women would get turned off to men altogether?
Too much porn causes erectile dysfunction in men. It is a dangerous mental habit if one wants a relationship with a real person.
I have stopped watching any since 3 years - and I am atheist.
The redneck men and hip-hop thugs in my area aren't always "hot". A lot of them are fat or rail thin, have a two digit vocabulary, wear cheap clothes, work at gas stations, drive banged up vehicles, and they get girlfriends easily though they often settle for women who are fat or rail thin as well. Mainstream Bible Belt men tend to be either super rich or just average. The super rich ones I know have supermodel-esque wives while the average ones tend to have "Plain Jane" wives.
My mother and older brother wanted me to date a "Plain Jane" woman who was part of the Aspergers support group I used to be part of. She was from a very religious family and had no interest in anime, manga, comics, and music that wasn't church music. She was actually afraid of R-rated movies. However, despite my mother and older brother's pressuring, her parents wouldn't let her date and now they don't even let her have male friends.
https://www.cracked.com/blog/4-things-i ... file-ever/
Well she certainly is "hot" no dispute there, but how is she racist? she's looking for men who like women aged 19-60!
I think this is a fair assessment of things
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Here you go.
My original post was not intended to cause conflict. I have made numerous edits to it in response to your complaints, with the aim of reducing possible sources of conflict. The sole purpose of that post was to propose an alternate explanation for the data behind a claim that you and various other men here have been making.
If you really wanna show good faith then request a lock.
If you really wanna show good faith then request a lock.
I see absolutely no reason why this topic should be locked, and I don't understand why you are continuing to insist on it even though I have addressed all of your objections. I have repeatedly apologized to you and edited the original post accordingly. Why is that not enough for you?
(I'll be responding to GrandInquisitor shortly.)
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If you really wanna show good faith then request a lock.
I see absolutely no reason why this topic should be locked, and I don't understand why you are continuing to insist on it even though I have addressed all of your objections. I have repeatedly apologized to you and edited the original post accordingly. Why is that not enough for you?
(I'll be responding to GrandInquisitor shortly.)
It is obvious that me and Grand aren’t very grateful from this thread and felt attacked on stuff we didn’t say and attributed to us, Grand didn’t ask for a lock but even him felt attacked for stuff he did not say.
The damage was already done, we got defamed here and your edits came too late.
So if you really care to show a good faith, request a lock.
Bye for now, I have a lunch date to catch.
I think most of the claims of the OP are wrong. I don't think women tend to get more bi or lesbian as they age, and I know for sure that gender identities are very fluid in early teenage, but stabilize towards "normality" as men and women get into their 20s. The only relevant trait here that is rather stable is asexuality.
I would suggest that the claim that women's sexuality is more fluid is completely wrong. I would likewise suggest that it is completely wrong that women like sexual intercourse to the same degree as men do. And I think this is the major reason why women are turned off by sex in the traditional way and get into lesbian and gender queer identities. Women no longer have to accept that sexual intercourse is a requirement in a relationship, and I'm sure this is a major reason why many men that are "undatable" will end up as not having sex.
When we talk about online dating it should be noted that many women don't participate there, and the one's that do and enjoy hookups naturally can get a higher value mate than they would for a LTR. That doesn't mean that a few men monopolize all the women. Many available women simply are not into online dating.
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