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29 Jun 2012, 10:49 pm

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i don't rank myself, and by extension i do not rank others either.

Ditto.
THIS is the big fat "secret" of self-esteem.
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i think his perception of status (and his placement on the totem pole, according to himself) actually inhibited his chances with women.

I have found this to be virtually always true of ppl who do "rank" themselves. (Even the ones claiming/pretending high self-status.)
It's heart breaking to see, and you can see it everywhere. So don't do this.
It's a lie. If you're gonna lie to yourself at least try to be kind to yourself.
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This is it, and this is all - Don't rank anyone, especially not yourself.
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hyperlexian said it in a way I wish I could've. Good job you!
This can be really hard, but if you find yourself looking for all those tricks, clues, signs and most especially sayin "yeah-but", you are avoiding the hard thing.

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*cue people telling me i am different from other women because of _X_ reasons*

You're different from other women because:
you're eXcellently talented w/your eye . . . stuff,
artisXically counter-pointed by your glasses,
and dramatically eXotic with your picture composition.

or...

ur rokkn at pikn k3w1 piX on teh interwebz.

you are kind, thank you!!!i am really like anyone else, i think.


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29 Jun 2012, 11:12 pm

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BTW
Isn't "PUA techniques" just another phrase for Social Tools?
Most especially for "Small Talk" that don't flop?

Maybe that's why ppl are having a hard time with it.
Having a hammer doesn't mean having a talent.
And vice-versa.

Nothing about dogs.
Dogs are cool.
Alphas, betas, chows, even omegas -everybody loves dogs. (except those that don't, of course)

Bean a dog is an awesome way to meet women.



There are things like negs, that can be questionable if used against the "wrong" target or in the wrong way. As an example, "I love that scarf, where did you buy it, I want to get my grandmother one for Christmas!" is different from "You sweat little for a fat girl".



The latter sounds like a "3% Speech" option from Fallout.



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30 Jun 2012, 1:26 am

Or a dialogue option for Renegade Shep!


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01 Jul 2012, 11:38 am

thats probably the most true thing ive read in this thread



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01 Jul 2012, 12:37 pm

You could do a similar cartoon (few changes, but similar) for a girl that's not supermodel material. Society at large is shallow, doesn't matter who you are.



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01 Jul 2012, 1:35 pm

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You could do a similar cartoon (few changes, but similar) for a girl that's not supermodel material. Society at large is shallow, doesn't matter who you are.


Is it easier for a girl to get laid than a guy? Please note that this is a simple yes and no question.



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01 Jul 2012, 1:51 pm

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You could do a similar cartoon (few changes, but similar) for a girl that's not supermodel material. Society at large is shallow, doesn't matter who you are.


So it's not easier for a girl to get laid than for a guy? Please note that this is a simple yes and no question.


its easier for a girl to get laid with an average guy, but for a hot guy its more balanced out



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01 Jul 2012, 1:57 pm

MXH wrote:
TM wrote:
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You could do a similar cartoon (few changes, but similar) for a girl that's not supermodel material. Society at large is shallow, doesn't matter who you are.


So it's not easier for a girl to get laid than for a guy? Please note that this is a simple yes and no question.


its easier for a girl to get laid with an average guy, but for a hot guy its more balanced out


So, what exactly was your argument again?



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01 Jul 2012, 2:16 pm

TM wrote:
MXH wrote:
TM wrote:
edgewaters wrote:
You could do a similar cartoon (few changes, but similar) for a girl that's not supermodel material. Society at large is shallow, doesn't matter who you are.


So it's not easier for a girl to get laid than for a guy? Please note that this is a simple yes and no question.


its easier for a girl to get laid with an average guy, but for a hot guy its more balanced out


So, what exactly was your argument again?

for starters im not edgewaters, that is not my argument.

My argument is that beta is being misused. You guys are taking a haves and havenots approach to this when in reality its a average, above average and below average which should be used to talk of this manner. Theres plenty of guys who get girls yet arent alpha, they are average. The average guy gets girls too you know, and if every average is alpha then we need to set new standards for what alpha is.



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01 Jul 2012, 2:25 pm

TM wrote:
edgewaters wrote:
You could do a similar cartoon (few changes, but similar) for a girl that's not supermodel material. Society at large is shallow, doesn't matter who you are.


So it's not easier for a girl to get laid than for a guy? Please note that this is a simple yes and no question.


That's just a silly rhetorical trick. You've watched too many television court dramas I think, its rotted your mind a little.

I expect they do, but just getting laid doesn't prevent the scene in the last box of the cartoon. If all you want is an orgasm, there are much easier ways - there's really no point in bothering, just for that. I could have an orgasm right this minute, without needing anyone, in under 5 minutes.



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01 Jul 2012, 2:28 pm

MXH wrote:
TM wrote:
MXH wrote:
TM wrote:
edgewaters wrote:
You could do a similar cartoon (few changes, but similar) for a girl that's not supermodel material. Society at large is shallow, doesn't matter who you are.


So it's not easier for a girl to get laid than for a guy? Please note that this is a simple yes and no question.


its easier for a girl to get laid with an average guy, but for a hot guy its more balanced out


So, what exactly was your argument again?

for starters im not edgewaters, that is not my argument.

My argument is that beta is being misused. You guys are taking a haves and havenots approach to this when in reality its a average, above average and below average which should be used to talk of this manner. Theres plenty of guys who get girls yet arent alpha, they are average. The average guy gets girls too you know, and if every average is alpha then we need to set new standards for what alpha is.


Sorry, got your avatars confused.

I tend to classify it as follows:

Alpha - The guy that women pursue, when Chris Rock said 10% of the guys do 90% of the f*****g, he was talking about these guys.

Beta - The average guy that gets a girl who is unable to get an Alpha, but who has to pursue women.

Omega - The guy who pretty much never gets any.



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01 Jul 2012, 3:58 pm

TM wrote:
MXH wrote:
TM wrote:
MXH wrote:
TM wrote:
edgewaters wrote:
You could do a similar cartoon (few changes, but similar) for a girl that's not supermodel material. Society at large is shallow, doesn't matter who you are.


So it's not easier for a girl to get laid than for a guy? Please note that this is a simple yes and no question.


its easier for a girl to get laid with an average guy, but for a hot guy its more balanced out


So, what exactly was your argument again?

for starters im not edgewaters, that is not my argument.

My argument is that beta is being misused. You guys are taking a haves and havenots approach to this when in reality its a average, above average and below average which should be used to talk of this manner. Theres plenty of guys who get girls yet arent alpha, they are average. The average guy gets girls too you know, and if every average is alpha then we need to set new standards for what alpha is.


Sorry, got your avatars confused.

I tend to classify it as follows:

Alpha - The guy that women pursue, when Chris Rock said 10% of the guys do 90% of the f***ing, he was talking about these guys.

Beta - The average guy that gets a girl who is unable to get an Alpha, but who has to pursue women.

Omega - The guy who pretty much never gets any.


yep. thats more like it



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02 Jul 2012, 2:08 pm

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So it's not easier for a girl to get laid than for a guy? Please note that this is a simple yes and no question.

It is a yes and no question. =)
YES, it's not easier for a girl to get laid than for a guy.
NO, it's not easier for a girl to get laid than for a guy.

In my experience a girl can more readily acquire acquiescence for sexual congress from a guy, than vice versa.
...or anything else for that matter ;)

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Edited: to add that I'm a smartass, in case no one noticed.

  I'm a smartass.


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02 Jul 2012, 2:14 pm

TM wrote:
MXH wrote:
TM wrote:
MXH wrote:
TM wrote:
edgewaters wrote:
You could do a similar cartoon (few changes, but similar) for a girl that's not supermodel material. Society at large is shallow, doesn't matter who you are.


So it's not easier for a girl to get laid than for a guy? Please note that this is a simple yes and no question.


its easier for a girl to get laid with an average guy, but for a hot guy its more balanced out


So, what exactly was your argument again?

for starters im not edgewaters, that is not my argument.

My argument is that beta is being misused. You guys are taking a haves and havenots approach to this when in reality its a average, above average and below average which should be used to talk of this manner. Theres plenty of guys who get girls yet arent alpha, they are average. The average guy gets girls too you know, and if every average is alpha then we need to set new standards for what alpha is.


Sorry, got your avatars confused.

I tend to classify it as follows:

Alpha - The guy that women pursue, when Chris Rock said 10% of the guys do 90% of the f***ing, he was talking about these guys.

Beta - The average guy that gets a girl who is unable to get an Alpha, but who has to pursue women.

Omega - The guy who pretty much never gets any.



Are gay men dogs at all?


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02 Jul 2012, 2:39 pm

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Are gay men dogs at all?


In the sense of engaging in lots of promiscuous sex? If so, I suspect that it would depend on the person, there are groups that do it and there are groups that are in long-term monogamous relationships. The data is most likely antiquated, but I remember reading about the HIV/AIDS breakout in gay communities in the 80s, where some subjects had slept with hundreds of different partners in the span of 1 - 3 years, most of which was completely anonymous.

Edited the initial yes/no question for clarity.