11 Jun 2014, 8:45 am
11 Jun 2014, 9:05 am
11 Jun 2014, 11:57 am
CommanderKeen wrote:
Let me break down my original statement.
"If we're going to go this route, we can argue that women feel entitled to a free dinner. If women feel that men who take them out aren't entitled to sex, that's fine, but they themselves shouldn't feel entitled for the man to pay their way on a date, atleast not until they are actually dating."
So in order words women who feel that men are not self entitled to sex, those SAME women should not feel self entitled to getting free meals.
"If we're going to go this route, we can argue that women feel entitled to a free dinner. If women feel that men who take them out aren't entitled to sex, that's fine, but they themselves shouldn't feel entitled for the man to pay their way on a date, atleast not until they are actually dating."
So in order words women who feel that men are not self entitled to sex, those SAME women should not feel self entitled to getting free meals.
Noooo, you're making it worse, not better. You're now making it look like food and sex are equal. If a woman doens't give sex, she shouldn't get her dinner paid for her. So if she's willing to provide sex, then does she get a free meal?
That's what it looks like you are implying. Those women who feel that men are not self entitled to sex, should not feel self entitled to getting free meals? What about other women? It sounds like they should get free meals becuase they give sex.
This doesn't even make any sense.
11 Jun 2014, 12:09 pm
hurtloam wrote:
CommanderKeen wrote:
Let me break down my original statement.
"If we're going to go this route, we can argue that women feel entitled to a free dinner. If women feel that men who take them out aren't entitled to sex, that's fine, but they themselves shouldn't feel entitled for the man to pay their way on a date, atleast not until they are actually dating."
So in order words women who feel that men are not self entitled to sex, those SAME women should not feel self entitled to getting free meals.
"If we're going to go this route, we can argue that women feel entitled to a free dinner. If women feel that men who take them out aren't entitled to sex, that's fine, but they themselves shouldn't feel entitled for the man to pay their way on a date, atleast not until they are actually dating."
So in order words women who feel that men are not self entitled to sex, those SAME women should not feel self entitled to getting free meals.
Noooo, you're making it worse, not better. You're now making it look like food and sex are equal. If a woman doens't give sex, she shouldn't get her dinner paid for her. So if she's willing to provide sex, then does she get a free meal?
That's what it looks like you are implying. Those women who feel that men are not self entitled to sex, should not feel self entitled to getting free meals? What about other women? It sounds like they should get free meals becuase they give sex.
This doesn't even make any sense.
That's not what he means either. He's not implying that it's normal for men to feel entitled to something in return for paying for dinner. He has simply observed that some women feel entitled to free dinner because men are expected to pay for them and comparing it to men who feel entitled to sex. He sees it as hypocrisy if the same women who bemoan the men who feel entitlement to something, to feel entitled to something themselves.
11 Jun 2014, 12:15 pm
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11 Jun 2014, 12:29 pm
hurtloam wrote:
Jono wrote:
That's not what he means either. He's not implying that it's normal for men to feel entitled to something in return for paying for dinner. He has simply observed that some women feel entitled to free dinner because men are expected to pay for them and comparing it to men who feel entitled to sex. He sees it as hypocrisy if the same women who bemoan the men who feel entitlement to something, to feel entitled to something themselves.
But it's not even remotely similar! It's selfish to want someone to feed you just because they are the opposite sex, but it's not hypocritical because sex and food are not the same. One can be done in a room full of people, the other cannot be done at a table in a restaurant without the staff kicking you out.
11 Jun 2014, 2:15 pm
11 Jun 2014, 2:24 pm
Jono wrote:
hurtloam wrote:
CommanderKeen wrote:
Let me break down my original statement.
"If we're going to go this route, we can argue that women feel entitled to a free dinner. If women feel that men who take them out aren't entitled to sex, that's fine, but they themselves shouldn't feel entitled for the man to pay their way on a date, atleast not until they are actually dating."
So in order words women who feel that men are not self entitled to sex, those SAME women should not feel self entitled to getting free meals.
"If we're going to go this route, we can argue that women feel entitled to a free dinner. If women feel that men who take them out aren't entitled to sex, that's fine, but they themselves shouldn't feel entitled for the man to pay their way on a date, atleast not until they are actually dating."
So in order words women who feel that men are not self entitled to sex, those SAME women should not feel self entitled to getting free meals.
Noooo, you're making it worse, not better. You're now making it look like food and sex are equal. If a woman doens't give sex, she shouldn't get her dinner paid for her. So if she's willing to provide sex, then does she get a free meal?
That's what it looks like you are implying. Those women who feel that men are not self entitled to sex, should not feel self entitled to getting free meals? What about other women? It sounds like they should get free meals becuase they give sex.
This doesn't even make any sense.
That's not what he means either. He's not implying that it's normal for men to feel entitled to something in return for paying for dinner. He has simply observed that some women feel entitled to free dinner because men are expected to pay for them and comparing it to men who feel entitled to sex. He sees it as hypocrisy if the same women who bemoan the men who feel entitlement to something, to feel entitled to something themselves.
yes, but from what i can gather all the women here don't expect men to pay for their dates--so who is he talking to? where are these hypocrites he's complaining about, and why is he complaining about them to us?
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11 Jun 2014, 2:29 pm
starvingartist wrote:
Jono wrote:
hurtloam wrote:
CommanderKeen wrote:
Let me break down my original statement.
"If we're going to go this route, we can argue that women feel entitled to a free dinner. If women feel that men who take them out aren't entitled to sex, that's fine, but they themselves shouldn't feel entitled for the man to pay their way on a date, atleast not until they are actually dating."
So in order words women who feel that men are not self entitled to sex, those SAME women should not feel self entitled to getting free meals.
"If we're going to go this route, we can argue that women feel entitled to a free dinner. If women feel that men who take them out aren't entitled to sex, that's fine, but they themselves shouldn't feel entitled for the man to pay their way on a date, atleast not until they are actually dating."
So in order words women who feel that men are not self entitled to sex, those SAME women should not feel self entitled to getting free meals.
Noooo, you're making it worse, not better. You're now making it look like food and sex are equal. If a woman doens't give sex, she shouldn't get her dinner paid for her. So if she's willing to provide sex, then does she get a free meal?
That's what it looks like you are implying. Those women who feel that men are not self entitled to sex, should not feel self entitled to getting free meals? What about other women? It sounds like they should get free meals becuase they give sex.
This doesn't even make any sense.
That's not what he means either. He's not implying that it's normal for men to feel entitled to something in return for paying for dinner. He has simply observed that some women feel entitled to free dinner because men are expected to pay for them and comparing it to men who feel entitled to sex. He sees it as hypocrisy if the same women who bemoan the men who feel entitlement to something, to feel entitled to something themselves.
yes, but from what i can gather all the women here don't expect men to pay for their dates--so who is he talking to? where are these hypocrites he's complaining about, and why is he complaining about them to us?
Seriously starvingartist, are we only supposed to be talking about the women here on WP? lol
Tarantella made a thread about street harassers, even tho there's only one case here who admitted doing that.
11 Jun 2014, 2:32 pm
starvingartist wrote:
Jono wrote:
hurtloam wrote:
CommanderKeen wrote:
Let me break down my original statement.
"If we're going to go this route, we can argue that women feel entitled to a free dinner. If women feel that men who take them out aren't entitled to sex, that's fine, but they themselves shouldn't feel entitled for the man to pay their way on a date, atleast not until they are actually dating."
So in order words women who feel that men are not self entitled to sex, those SAME women should not feel self entitled to getting free meals.
"If we're going to go this route, we can argue that women feel entitled to a free dinner. If women feel that men who take them out aren't entitled to sex, that's fine, but they themselves shouldn't feel entitled for the man to pay their way on a date, atleast not until they are actually dating."
So in order words women who feel that men are not self entitled to sex, those SAME women should not feel self entitled to getting free meals.
Noooo, you're making it worse, not better. You're now making it look like food and sex are equal. If a woman doens't give sex, she shouldn't get her dinner paid for her. So if she's willing to provide sex, then does she get a free meal?
That's what it looks like you are implying. Those women who feel that men are not self entitled to sex, should not feel self entitled to getting free meals? What about other women? It sounds like they should get free meals becuase they give sex.
This doesn't even make any sense.
That's not what he means either. He's not implying that it's normal for men to feel entitled to something in return for paying for dinner. He has simply observed that some women feel entitled to free dinner because men are expected to pay for them and comparing it to men who feel entitled to sex. He sees it as hypocrisy if the same women who bemoan the men who feel entitlement to something, to feel entitled to something themselves.
yes, but from what i can gather all the women here don't expect men to pay for their dates--so who is he talking to? where are these hypocrites he's complaining about, and why is he complaining about them to us?
So, you are saying that since women on this web forum don't expect their dates to pay for them, that women like that don't exist? My original response was to the OP.
11 Jun 2014, 2:38 pm
CommanderKeen wrote:
starvingartist wrote:
Jono wrote:
hurtloam wrote:
CommanderKeen wrote:
Let me break down my original statement.
"If we're going to go this route, we can argue that women feel entitled to a free dinner. If women feel that men who take them out aren't entitled to sex, that's fine, but they themselves shouldn't feel entitled for the man to pay their way on a date, atleast not until they are actually dating."
So in order words women who feel that men are not self entitled to sex, those SAME women should not feel self entitled to getting free meals.
"If we're going to go this route, we can argue that women feel entitled to a free dinner. If women feel that men who take them out aren't entitled to sex, that's fine, but they themselves shouldn't feel entitled for the man to pay their way on a date, atleast not until they are actually dating."
So in order words women who feel that men are not self entitled to sex, those SAME women should not feel self entitled to getting free meals.
Noooo, you're making it worse, not better. You're now making it look like food and sex are equal. If a woman doens't give sex, she shouldn't get her dinner paid for her. So if she's willing to provide sex, then does she get a free meal?
That's what it looks like you are implying. Those women who feel that men are not self entitled to sex, should not feel self entitled to getting free meals? What about other women? It sounds like they should get free meals becuase they give sex.
This doesn't even make any sense.
That's not what he means either. He's not implying that it's normal for men to feel entitled to something in return for paying for dinner. He has simply observed that some women feel entitled to free dinner because men are expected to pay for them and comparing it to men who feel entitled to sex. He sees it as hypocrisy if the same women who bemoan the men who feel entitlement to something, to feel entitled to something themselves.
yes, but from what i can gather all the women here don't expect men to pay for their dates--so who is he talking to? where are these hypocrites he's complaining about, and why is he complaining about them to us?
So, you are saying that since women on this web forum don't expect their dates to pay for them, that women like that don't exist? My original response was to the OP.
i'm saying maybe you need to reconsider your conviction that such women are quite common, as you are currently being presented with contradictory evidence here from the women in this forum.
11 Jun 2014, 2:40 pm
starvingartist wrote:
CommanderKeen wrote:
starvingartist wrote:
Jono wrote:
hurtloam wrote:
CommanderKeen wrote:
Let me break down my original statement.
"If we're going to go this route, we can argue that women feel entitled to a free dinner. If women feel that men who take them out aren't entitled to sex, that's fine, but they themselves shouldn't feel entitled for the man to pay their way on a date, atleast not until they are actually dating."
So in order words women who feel that men are not self entitled to sex, those SAME women should not feel self entitled to getting free meals.
"If we're going to go this route, we can argue that women feel entitled to a free dinner. If women feel that men who take them out aren't entitled to sex, that's fine, but they themselves shouldn't feel entitled for the man to pay their way on a date, atleast not until they are actually dating."
So in order words women who feel that men are not self entitled to sex, those SAME women should not feel self entitled to getting free meals.
Noooo, you're making it worse, not better. You're now making it look like food and sex are equal. If a woman doens't give sex, she shouldn't get her dinner paid for her. So if she's willing to provide sex, then does she get a free meal?
That's what it looks like you are implying. Those women who feel that men are not self entitled to sex, should not feel self entitled to getting free meals? What about other women? It sounds like they should get free meals becuase they give sex.
This doesn't even make any sense.
That's not what he means either. He's not implying that it's normal for men to feel entitled to something in return for paying for dinner. He has simply observed that some women feel entitled to free dinner because men are expected to pay for them and comparing it to men who feel entitled to sex. He sees it as hypocrisy if the same women who bemoan the men who feel entitlement to something, to feel entitled to something themselves.
yes, but from what i can gather all the women here don't expect men to pay for their dates--so who is he talking to? where are these hypocrites he's complaining about, and why is he complaining about them to us?
So, you are saying that since women on this web forum don't expect their dates to pay for them, that women like that don't exist? My original response was to the OP.
i'm saying maybe you need to reconsider your conviction that such women are quite common, as you are currently being presented with contradictory evidence here from the women in this forum.
Yeah three women on a web forum, two of whom aren't even in the US. I guess I've just imagined the women I've encountered in the past and my male and female friends have encountered.
11 Jun 2014, 2:45 pm
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
starvingartist wrote:
Jono wrote:
hurtloam wrote:
CommanderKeen wrote:
Let me break down my original statement.
"If we're going to go this route, we can argue that women feel entitled to a free dinner. If women feel that men who take them out aren't entitled to sex, that's fine, but they themselves shouldn't feel entitled for the man to pay their way on a date, atleast not until they are actually dating."
So in order words women who feel that men are not self entitled to sex, those SAME women should not feel self entitled to getting free meals.
"If we're going to go this route, we can argue that women feel entitled to a free dinner. If women feel that men who take them out aren't entitled to sex, that's fine, but they themselves shouldn't feel entitled for the man to pay their way on a date, atleast not until they are actually dating."
So in order words women who feel that men are not self entitled to sex, those SAME women should not feel self entitled to getting free meals.
Noooo, you're making it worse, not better. You're now making it look like food and sex are equal. If a woman doens't give sex, she shouldn't get her dinner paid for her. So if she's willing to provide sex, then does she get a free meal?
That's what it looks like you are implying. Those women who feel that men are not self entitled to sex, should not feel self entitled to getting free meals? What about other women? It sounds like they should get free meals becuase they give sex.
This doesn't even make any sense.
That's not what he means either. He's not implying that it's normal for men to feel entitled to something in return for paying for dinner. He has simply observed that some women feel entitled to free dinner because men are expected to pay for them and comparing it to men who feel entitled to sex. He sees it as hypocrisy if the same women who bemoan the men who feel entitlement to something, to feel entitled to something themselves.
yes, but from what i can gather all the women here don't expect men to pay for their dates--so who is he talking to? where are these hypocrites he's complaining about, and why is he complaining about them to us?
Seriously starvingartist, are we only supposed to be talking about the women here on WP? lol
Tarantella made a thread about street harassers, even tho there's only one case here who admitted doing that.
Yes, but you missed my point. The thread was about why being in the habit of making slurs and sexist remarks about women, and tolerating such things, is a bad idea. And plenty of that goes on here.
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