PhosphorusDecree wrote:
Some circular logic going on here. Only a physically attractive man can "get girls", so if a man can get girls, he must be physically attractive despite any evidence to the contrary. Only a physically unattractive man can't get girls, so if a man can't get girls, he must be physically unattractive, again despite any evidence to the contrary. This is a theory custom-made to be untestable against reality. If any evidence against it is advanced, you can just pick up the metaphorical goalposts and run like mad. Goes with the incel-culture theme of getting trapped in self-referential loops instead of looking at the real world.
The physical attractiveness of men, as perceived by women, is a spectrum. Really good-looking guys are one extreme, circus freaks are the other. Most men are neither. Most men's overall looks slide down this spectrum until the line between passable and ugly is hit.
Although most men aren't super good-looking, and maybe not even that great looking to women, they are indeed passable. But once the line is crossed into ugly territory, there's no making up for it. And that line comes well before circus freak territory.
I see the parallels with Autism. Rainman is an extreme case of Autism, but there are "higher-functioning" autists who still fall below the NT line. Autism affects them, but since they don't seem as extreme an example of Rain Man, people accuse them of not being autistic.
Same is true for that ugly line. Elephant Man is one extreme case of ugliness. There are men that are further up and not as ugly, but still fall below women's threshold of acceptable attractiveness. Other men can't see it, (different sense of physical attraction) and think these ugly men are still "average" looking. Women have determined otherwise (not women's fault, natural biology, different set of attractiveness).
If a man is
above the passable line and struggling with women, he should indeed work on improving himself. If he's playing games all day long, or not showering, etc, but still has the looks, he most certainly can improve. Other men
below this threshold will have no such luck, regardless of what they do.
Evidence to the contrary?
Actual women even in this thread have expressed that women have different views on what is attractive, what is ugly to one women may not be to others. Also, if one is so disfigured that is what is coming down to stopping them getting a girlfriend, then maybe they should look into some cosmetic surgery(like another poster mentioned doing) and maybe there should be programs to help people afford that who really need it.
But I think the vast majority of men are not so ugly no woman would want to date them. Though some guys who blame their 'ugliness' really just radiate such a bad negative attitude that is more likely what is really keeping the women away.
17 Sep 2021, 12:34 pm
