06 Jan 2019, 7:57 pm
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karathraceandherspecialdestiny wrote:
Prometheus18 wrote:
I'm not massively bothered about it, it's just that I grew up in complete isolation from modern pop culture (which I'm glad of) and never inculcated the need to conform to modern mores. I grew up watching Humphrey Bogart, Cary Grant, Jim Cagney, Jim Stewart, Audrey Hepburn, Greta Garbo - even Telly Savalas. It just struck me gradually that there was a higher sartorial bar until quite recently, and I realised it would be a huge shame to lose that part of our culture.
Maybe it's Asperger's, but I just have no love for the consumer culture whereby what looks good changes every couple of months and there is no broad, long term consensus as to what are the types of clothes one should wear.
I don't have anything against those who wear t-shirts. In fact, I wear them myself, but only as undershirts and to go to the gym - that's their purpose.
Well, the trouble is that wearing a suit and tie takes effort and bearing - to wear well, anyway. I'll admit that I sometimes get a little snooty towards others my age who neglect to make that effort, but only a very little. Mostly, my attitude is more like pity.
As for women, you're right that I find most women alive today unattractive and that this partly has to do with the recent decline in dress standards, but, you see, every man has his preferences. I'm most definitely not a sexist, especially given that I'm equally - if not more - critical of men's dress standards (or lack) along the same lines.
My very first post in this site explains my attitude in the above respects quite well:
I'm extremely old fashioned
Maybe it's Asperger's, but I just have no love for the consumer culture whereby what looks good changes every couple of months and there is no broad, long term consensus as to what are the types of clothes one should wear.
I don't have anything against those who wear t-shirts. In fact, I wear them myself, but only as undershirts and to go to the gym - that's their purpose.
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But I've seen him talk about this issue in other threads, it seems to be a thing with him that he thinks most people are slovenly idiots and he is better because he wears suits; he also likes to talk about what's "appropriate" for women to wear, which according to him is only skirts and blouses. I guess women who wear pants are too masculine and unsightly. He sounds like someone who was raised in another century and has funny ideas how people should dress and how men and women should behave that are rather outdated and also kinda sexist. It's not reasonable to have these super high and specific standards that no one else follows but you, and to be perpetually angry at the rest of the world for not living up to your arbitrarily high standards and not behaving and dressing how you think is "appropriate". It's just such a stupid pointless thing to get worked up about, you can't control how other people dress and judging anyone who doesn't make the same choices as you on something as shallow as clothing as less than yourself is really sh***y.
It's a very flimsy excuse to get up on your high horse and think you're better than everyone because other people are disgusting peasants who are willing to be seen in t-shirts in public. That is exactly what snobbery is.
It's a very flimsy excuse to get up on your high horse and think you're better than everyone because other people are disgusting peasants who are willing to be seen in t-shirts in public. That is exactly what snobbery is.
Well, the trouble is that wearing a suit and tie takes effort and bearing - to wear well, anyway. I'll admit that I sometimes get a little snooty towards others my age who neglect to make that effort, but only a very little. Mostly, my attitude is more like pity.
As for women, you're right that I find most women alive today unattractive and that this partly has to do with the recent decline in dress standards, but, you see, every man has his preferences. I'm most definitely not a sexist, especially given that I'm equally - if not more - critical of men's dress standards (or lack) along the same lines.
My very first post in this site explains my attitude in the above respects quite well:
I'm extremely old fashioned
It is definitely sexist to expect all women to wear skirts and blouses and not dress suits like the men. Skirts (and the heels that usually go with them) are impractical for most activities that involve moving around, and seem designed to make it hard for women to run away and to make it easier for them to be sexually assaulted. When I wear skirts and dresses I feel vulnerable and unsafe for this reason.
I don't see how it is sexist, but that's not what I meant, anyway. A blouse and dress were just an example. What I really mean is anything modest, discrete and respectable (not a t-shirt and torn jeans).
Well, at least you're not so old fashioned you expect us to wear corsets and bustles and petticoats!
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07 Jan 2019, 10:33 am
karathraceandherspecialdestiny wrote:
Prometheus18 wrote:
karathraceandherspecialdestiny wrote:
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Probably because hes too short, the 6 ft rule has never been more truer than in 2018
I don't know what "more truer" means, unless you're Shakespeare.
The guy on the left looks better in this photo, but only because he isn't (quite so) slovenly; if the guy on the right had a shave and put on some decent clothes, I think he'd be better.
Yeah, where are his spats, tails, ascot, and top hat? What a bum to be seen in public not in black tie!
Seriously though, what exactly is "slovenly" about the guy on the right? His hair is clean and styled contemporarily, he's wearing a clean white t-shirt, well-fitted jeans, a nice scarf, and he's even sitting up relatively straight with what looks like decent posture. How is that slovenly, is it just because he's not wearing a tie like the other guy? Because you don't have to wear a tie to not be considered a homeless bum, this isn't the 1920s or something, it's 2019.
Because only a slovenly person would turn up ON TV in a cheap t-shirt, jeans and without bothering to shave.
For all you know that's a designer t-shirt that cost $100 (they exist)--and the scruffy look is in now, it's intentional. Guys aren't doing it because they are too lazy to shave, they are not shaving intentionally because they want that look because it is popular now. If he let it grow out without shaping and grooming it and it got all patchy and tufty, then I might agree with you that he looks slovenly. As it is, he looks well-dressed and put together. The other guy looks like he might have rolled out of bed in those wrinkled clothes, and his tie is badly tied.
I think some people here have some unconscious bias going on.
My gosh, part of the 1980s is back in style again (5 O’clock shadow). That was popular when Miami Vice was on the TV. I always thought that unshaven look would return someday.
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10 Jan 2019, 12:43 am
karathraceandherspecialdestiny wrote:
You know what Prometheus? I think I was possibly unfairly harsh to you in this thread about being old fashioned--I was just watching The Late Show from last night and the guest Keegan Michael Key was wearing a three piece suit, and I realized when I saw that he's not the only guest recently who has worn a three piece. They seem to be making a comeback; and I have to admit it's a smart look, and some guys wear it really well (the abovementioned, for example).
So I'm sorry for giving you a hard time about that. You should rock a three piece if that's what you're comfortable in. I don't want to make anyone feel like it's not OK to be different or like they should be trying to conform better and look like everyone else, I never appreciated that kind of pressure from others so it feels hypocritical.
So I'm sorry for giving you a hard time about that. You should rock a three piece if that's what you're comfortable in. I don't want to make anyone feel like it's not OK to be different or like they should be trying to conform better and look like everyone else, I never appreciated that kind of pressure from others so it feels hypocritical.
I wish I could be as magnanimous when it comes to t-shirts and jeans
10 Jan 2019, 1:29 am
Prometheus18 wrote:
karathraceandherspecialdestiny wrote:
You know what Prometheus? I think I was possibly unfairly harsh to you in this thread about being old fashioned--I was just watching The Late Show from last night and the guest Keegan Michael Key was wearing a three piece suit, and I realized when I saw that he's not the only guest recently who has worn a three piece. They seem to be making a comeback; and I have to admit it's a smart look, and some guys wear it really well (the abovementioned, for example).
So I'm sorry for giving you a hard time about that. You should rock a three piece if that's what you're comfortable in. I don't want to make anyone feel like it's not OK to be different or like they should be trying to conform better and look like everyone else, I never appreciated that kind of pressure from others so it feels hypocritical.
So I'm sorry for giving you a hard time about that. You should rock a three piece if that's what you're comfortable in. I don't want to make anyone feel like it's not OK to be different or like they should be trying to conform better and look like everyone else, I never appreciated that kind of pressure from others so it feels hypocritical.
I wish I could be as magnanimous when it comes to t-shirts and jeans
Being less judgmental is something I'm working on for the new year. I do feel bad for ragging on you for what you choose to wear, it's a stupid thing to give someone a hard time about. I myself have some tastes that others might find "old fashioned" or strange, so who am I to judge?
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