Public Notice: Incel Trolls
puzzledoll
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As stated before, there are no new rules.
Perhaps XFG's original post did come across as a bit hostile, but bear in mind that tact isn't a strong point in the case of many of us on the spectrum.
"Tact" was never a strength of mine.
As for the rest of it, there's an ocean of difference between "lonely men" and "incels." For the purposes of moderating this forum, an "incel" is someone who advocates for the rape/enslavement/murder of women. If other people want to hold on to a different definition, fine, but as per "official" WP lingo in regards to moderating, we're using the term as I've defined above. Therefore, any claim that banning "incels" is the equivalent of banning all single men is moronic.
Secondly, I'm quite familiar with both Red Pill/MGTOW, and they both have misogynistic underpinnings that don't belong here. WP has never been dependent of misogyny or misandry for it's survival, and I'm happy to see those who hold such views f_ck-off right outta here.
I would like to second the love expressed for this post:
Thirded with applause!
I'm 35, and I managed to age into my looks. And yet, I feel utterly disgusted by sex. Even thinking of sexual acts makes me gag and shudder. Now, I enjoy hugs and cuddling, as long as it's fully clothed. And I can handle French kissing if I'm really drunk. But sex? I want nothing to do with it for the rest of my life. Not escorts, not girlfriends, not hook-ups. I like having women friends, as long as it stays strictly platonic.
I do wonder what feminists have to say about this. That is, about a man who hates sex.
Remember to use the gas chambers next time. Maybe they should be forced to wear arm bands, too.
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Once there were trees full of birds,
meadowlands vibrant with flowers.
Carefree the songs our children once sang,
gilding our minutes and hours;
Clouds came and covered the sun,
the breath of a baleful unease,
turning to ashes flowers in their fields,
silenced the birds in the trees.
As stated before, there are no new rules.
Perhaps XFG's original post did come across as a bit hostile, but bear in mind that tact isn't a strong point in the case of many of us on the spectrum.
"Tact" was never a strength of mine.
As for the rest of it, there's an ocean of difference between "lonely men" and "incels." For the purposes of moderating this forum, an "incel" is someone who advocates for the rape/enslavement/murder of women. If other people want to hold on to a different definition, fine, but as per "official" WP lingo in regards to moderating, we're using the term as I've defined above. Therefore, any claim that banning "incels" is the equivalent of banning all single men is moronic.
Secondly, I'm quite familiar with both Red Pill/MGTOW, and they both have misogynistic underpinnings that don't belong here. WP has never been dependent of misogyny or misandry for it's survival, and I'm happy to see those who hold such views f_ck-off right outta here.
I would like to second the love expressed for this post:
Thirded with applause!
Go misandry!
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Once there were trees full of birds,
meadowlands vibrant with flowers.
Carefree the songs our children once sang,
gilding our minutes and hours;
Clouds came and covered the sun,
the breath of a baleful unease,
turning to ashes flowers in their fields,
silenced the birds in the trees.
@Aspie1: I get plenty of "it" by doing "it" to myself (if you know what I mean ). I have very little social life; the only social life I have apart from being online is going to the local café. Whenever I go out into town, I keep myself to myself. It takes a lot to get me to trust another person. You could say I’m too private, too shy. My inexperience has left me with a fear of being in a relationship, opening up to someone else and bringing someone else into playing a very large role in my life, because if that relationship ended badly, I’d suddenly lose a big part of my life and I would no longer be able to trust that person. My chances of becoming sexually active in the near future are therefore virtually non-existant, more or less of my own accord. And I accept that. I need to be comfortable with myself before I can bring somebody else into my life.
There have been times when being single and still a virgin has dissatisfied me. But it helps to remember one thing: there is a chance that it will happen for me as long as I am still alive. There is a chance because I don’t know for sure that it will never happen. Regardless of how likely or unlikely it is, it is not impossible.
As stated before, there are no new rules.
Perhaps XFG's original post did come across as a bit hostile, but bear in mind that tact isn't a strong point in the case of many of us on the spectrum.
"Tact" was never a strength of mine.
As for the rest of it, there's an ocean of difference between "lonely men" and "incels." For the purposes of moderating this forum, an "incel" is someone who advocates for the rape/enslavement/murder of women. If other people want to hold on to a different definition, fine, but as per "official" WP lingo in regards to moderating, we're using the term as I've defined above. Therefore, any claim that banning "incels" is the equivalent of banning all single men is moronic.
Secondly, I'm quite familiar with both Red Pill/MGTOW, and they both have misogynistic underpinnings that don't belong here. WP has never been dependent of misogyny or misandry for it's survival, and I'm happy to see those who hold such views f_ck-off right outta here.
I would like to second the love expressed for this post:
Thirded with applause!
Go misandry!
There's nothing even remotely resembling "misandry" in my post.
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"If we fail to anticipate the unforeseen or expect the unexpected in a universe of infinite possibilities, we may find ourselves at the mercy of anyone or anything that cannot be programmed, categorized or easily referenced."
-XFG (no longer a moderator)
Come to think of it, perhaps I also won’t enjoy being intimate with another person after all. I often don’t like it when a person physically gets too close (<1-2 feet) to me. But that pretty much only applies to strangers. I dunno. And I probably won’t know for a while. I want to stay unmarried and childless for at least another ten years. And before I start dating, I want to get a driving license and some sort of paid job. And even that probably won’t happen soon.
funeralxempire
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Just the ones who advocate for the incel ideology. Being unable to "get some" doesn't inherently make one an incel, embracing the ideology that's associated with the label incel is the issue.
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funeralxempire
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Age: 39
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Who knew that banning those who advocate for a violent ideology associated with terrorist attacks from a privately owned forum was the exact same as the holocaust. Tell us more about your very reasonable ideas.
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Watching liberals try to solve societal problems without a systemic critique/class consciousness is like watching someone in the dark try to flip on the light switch, but they keep turning on the garbage disposal instead.
戦争ではなく戦争と戦う
That's what I've been doing. Intentionally or not, WP is no longer a welcome place for lonely men. I'm not Incel (capital I), I'm a Red Piller. These are different movements; I've even berated Incels (capital I) in my blog posts. I can now see myself getting an official warning, if not an outright ban accompanied by "Come back when you have a girlfriend!"
Long time ago, when this site still had its blue and green color scheme, lonely men's rants were well-tolerated. A few excessive outbursts were suppressed on a case-by-case basis, but nobody was threatened with mass ban. Because of the changes, I already do the bulk of my online posting on an NT-oriented general discussion forum and on my Red Pill blog. The latter gets hairy at times, but I expect it and react to it accordingly; I don't expect such hostility here on WP.
I do wonder what Incels (capital I) want from our site, and what they'd gain from trolling it. Other than the violence, us and them are in the similar situation dating-wise. If they're looking to recruit, I reluctantly admit: XFG might have been right. After all, aspie men aren't ideology recruitment fodder any more than they're marriage fodder.
XFG may not have intended to deter genuinely lonely men from posting, but she was so angry and hostile in that post, that the cat's out of the bag now. To borrow a famous song lyric, "The damage is done, so I guess I'll be leaving."
That's what I've been doing. Intentionally or not, WP is no longer a welcome place for lonely men. I'm not Incel (capital I), I'm a Red Piller. These are different movements; I've even berated Incels (capital I) in my blog posts. I can now see myself getting an official warning, if not an outright ban accompanied by "Come back when you have a girlfriend!"
Long time ago, when this site still had its blue and green color scheme, lonely men's rants were well-tolerated. A few excessive outbursts were suppressed on a case-by-case basis, but nobody was threatened with mass ban. Because of the changes, I already do the bulk of my online posting on an NT-oriented general discussion forum and on my Red Pill blog. The latter gets hairy at times, but I expect it and react to it accordingly; I don't expect such hostility here on WP.
I do wonder what Incels (capital I) want from our site, and what they'd gain from trolling it. Other than the violence, us and them are in the similar situation dating-wise. If they're looking to recruit, I reluctantly admit: XFG might have been right. After all, aspie men aren't ideology recruitment fodder any more than they're marriage fodder.
XFG may not have intended to deter genuinely lonely men from posting, but she was so angry and hostile in that post, that the cat's out of the bag now. To borrow a famous song lyric, "The damage is done, so I guess I'll be leaving."
I didn't know you were a Red-Piller.
Besides, I will frankly tell everyone I think that being a single, lonely man is becoming taboo and something to be "forbidden" by society. It would almost be expected in the current over-PC and arbitrary social climate.
I think so too. But if "society" is offended by what I do in my private life, then I see no point in even trying to indulge in their "expectations", because in that case there's probably nothing I can do to satsify them. If they frown upon me, I will frown upon them
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