Do you ever come across idiots like this?

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24 Jun 2006, 2:51 am

I am quite astounded that many people are so open about being an aspie to strangers. It's just something I can't bring myself to do, because I'm afraid that people will think I'm dangerous or something, and will try everything they can to avoid me. I don't care if I'm seen as eccentric, but it does depend on the situation. I really don't waste time using smalltalk when shopping and stuff. If someone asks me a question, I just respond naturally. I don't believe I've really been asked that my communication is strange. I have, however, been speaking with people after getting to know them for quite some time, and they have replied that I have an odd or eccentric personality. Usually, though, people to find it charming or something. I don't know. I had worked with a couple of people, and they thought it was all hilarious and fun. Maybe it's the type of people I tend to come into contact with, so I don't know.

People have said that I am quite blunt at times, arrogant at others. I don't understand how to communicate with smalltalk as many others do, so I tend to speak from a knowledge base. I usually stipulate if I don't know something, and tend to keep quiet a lot if things don't interest me. At times, though, I'll say something, just so I don't look too weird, you know. I think this quietness in social situations, where everyone else is having a grand ole time, appears eccentric to some people. Whether or not people know I purposely say something at times just to take part in a conversation for a bit? I don't know. They've never expressed it to me.

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24 Jun 2006, 3:35 am

WP- Aspergers and Autism community.
I think you'll find that that gives people the confidence they need to be open about it.



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24 Jun 2006, 11:59 am

I'm trying to be open if it makes me money.
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25 Jun 2006, 12:45 pm

I have mentioned that I thought I might have A/S once or twice and most people have been immediately dismissive and defensive about it. I tend not to push them on it though because it simply isn't worth the effort. I really cannot be bothered with it or with them. Besides, it was them who called me out on being anxious, reticient or withdrawn, so it is they who think I have a problem in the first place.

One popular refrain I often get is that I am 'just trying to be different for the sake of it'.

There is often an accusation of 'not trying hard enough' or something. I think it comes down to the fact that people don't like the idea of someone else appearing to not 'accept responsibility' and as most people are generally upset, dissatisfied and unhappy, they do not like the idea of anyone having a valid reason or 'excuse' for having difficulties.


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25 Jun 2006, 1:48 pm

I've never heard any of those comments before. If I ever did, my response would leave them in no doubt that they're dealing with someone of negligible social skills, non-socially adjusted morality and a sick imagination.

Seems a bit stupid that anyone would pick up on your social shortcomings like that, then refuse to believe that there's actually a reason for them. Here in Australia, if someone noticed that you came over a bit tense, they'd be more likely to wonder what they were doing wrong to make you feel like that.

Two comments I have heard recently, though:

"You talk to psychiatrists, they get this idea in their heads that you're this and that then they turn you into it" (Child psychiatrists had missed my AS completely. You think that maybe they didn't need the work that badly?)

"These things like HFA, ADHD, OCD or whatever are clinical terms for bad parenting, too much junk food, too much TV and a screwed up education system" (Not in relation to me; from an anarchist. They don't like to concede that some people need support from the state and don't have the skills to survive in their proposed mutual-aid society. Oh, and getting rid of filthy stinking coppers would put an end to crime, too... :?)



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28 Jun 2006, 6:30 am

I've had some older b***h, at my Clubhouse tell me that she knows more, now than I will ever know in my Life. I've glared at her and told her that I'm not ret*d. Than she's had the Gall to ask me, "Than what am I?" Somebody stuck up for me and told her that she's the one who's ret*d. I've almost told her that she's a Rusty Old Hag who's stuck in 1930s/1940s Germany. I've kept my mouth shut, though.



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01 Jul 2006, 7:17 am

Emu Egg, I'm afraid I agree with them. Aspergers' is not a diagnosis, it's an innuendo! I have looked it up, and have found no two definitions that agree nor even one that makes a lick of sense.

Nor, in any case, is any label really much of an explanation for any particular trait or behavior. A noun alone is simply not an hypothesis, and caries no explanatory power. You do not even describe your communication style to begin with, much less give reason or motivation thereto.

Indeed, the response of others as you describe, does not seem closed minded at all, but rational, skeptical, argumentative, inquisitive and intelligent.



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01 Jul 2006, 11:49 am

This is a terrific thread. Very good humor from some! :lol:

I have never had this particular communication problem but I have noticed that others have. I have always tried to be polite and patient when listening to people with slow, monotonous or faltering communication styles. Why should we think that everyone is going to communicate exactly the same way?
I have learned that slow does not equal stupid but most people will not listen long enough to see the intelligence. It's sort of like judging a book by its cover.

My son speaks a little slowly and on only 2 or 3 notes. He also moves a bit stiffly. Some kids call him Robot. They don't mean any harm by it and I told him it's a cool nickname and explained to him why they called him that. He agreed with me that it does fit him!


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01 Jul 2006, 11:56 am

F5c_wZ3_414e_X5 wrote:

Hell yes, I get told to relax all the time, it makes me want to punch the person in the face, jeez.. why don't they just stop commenting.

I've also been told it's all in my head (as in mental, when it's actually PHYSICAL.. in the wiring) and thinking differently will get rid of it.


Yup same here.



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01 Jul 2006, 1:17 pm

F5c_wZ3_414e_X5 wrote:
I meet new people. I communicate with them. They say: Your communication style ir very weird, relax, you speak like your are very tense. I say: That's how I always speak, if I had to speak like you, that would be unatural and difficult to me. They ask: Why? I say: Because I have Asperger's, and the communicating style of those people who have it may seem slightly different from usual. They ask: What is Asperger's, can you tell me about it more? I tell them. Then they say one of these possibles:
1) This is total non sense, people make up that Asperger's, because it is easier to blame all their problems on some syndrome than to sort them out.
2) Yes, yes now it is very fashionable to have all kinds of mental problems (even though I tell them that Asperger's isn't a mental illness).
3) Such thing as Asperger's doesn't exist because I never heard of it.
4) You are pretending to be someone, you try to be someone you are not and pretend to be different from everyone else.

What do you think about this? Does it happen to you?


That is because not so long ago when you were absorbed into the soviet union people like yourself would have been institutionalised. Its something alot of old people have difficulty comprehending that the old 19th century practice of keeping the "undesirables" has made people ignorant of the human condition.



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02 Jul 2006, 11:40 am

You people seem so intolerant of anyone displaying natural curiosity and skepticism instead of simply humoring you all. Let the other fellow be tactless for a change!


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03 Jul 2006, 3:12 am

Teach me tact then I'll be tactful.

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03 Jul 2006, 3:33 am

That's your own business. Kindly reread what I actually said.



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03 Jul 2006, 4:25 am

I cannot understand



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03 Jul 2006, 4:45 am

Have you a question?



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03 Jul 2006, 5:07 am

You people seem so intolerant of anyone displaying natural curiosity and skepticism instead of simply humoring you all. Let the other fellow be tactless for a change!

I did not see where I was being intolerant. Humuoring us, how?

Kindly reread the first post.
My statement stands.